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Brian Berry beats Shibaji Datta
« on: August 09, 2011, 01:57:12 PM »
For those interested, I notice that Brian Berry beat Shibaji Datta (2006 Commonwealth Games Teams Gold medalist, and 2007? 2008? (one of the two, can't remember which) Aus Open Mens Singles Finalist, and last WR of 296 in July 2009) in the recent PingSkills Classic 4-3.

Must be a bit of life in the old BB yet. Reports on Facebook say that Shibaji looked out of practice, but even so, not a bad win for an old vet!

Of course, Brian then went down 4-2 to Miao Miao, but then again Miao can beat most of the top guys as well, so that's hardly a black mark.

Just a little something to think about in the old Biggy vs Brian vs Rob etc debate.   :wink:

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Re: Brian Berry beats Shibaji Datta
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2011, 03:48:38 PM »
Given Shibaji is rated 4 in Vic and Brian is 10 and almost 300 points away, thats a pretty good effort. Is this a rated event though that Brian would take points from it?

Taking 2 sets off Miao wouldn't be so easy either I would think.

Well spotted Greg! :wink:
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Re: Brian Berry beats Shibaji Datta
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2011, 04:33:29 PM »
For those interested, I notice that Brian Berry beat Shibaji Datta (2006 Commonwealth Games Teams Gold medalist, and 2007? 2008? (one of the two, can't remember which) Aus Open Mens Singles Finalist, and last WR of 296 in July 2009) in the recent PingSkills Classic 4-3.

Must be a bit of life in the old BB yet. Reports on Facebook say that Shibaji looked out of practice, but even so, not a bad win for an old vet!

Just a little something to think about in the old Biggy vs Brian vs Rob etc debate.   :wink:

Cheers,
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That's a good win for Brian, but Brian also went down to my team mate Adam twice a few weeks ago..
Greg you played Adam in the Aust Open the year I had my reco. Goes to show the type of depth we have down here in Vic.  :tongue:

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Re: Brian Berry beats Shibaji Datta
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2011, 11:00:00 PM »
Yup, the crap will hit the fan after this one.
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Re: Brian Berry beats Shibaji Datta
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2011, 12:27:32 AM »
You could also mention that BB lost twice in the Vic open to an ex Danish guy that hasn't played in 15 years, not that Biggy would get beat the Danish guy anyway and he's Victorian now, it doesn't matter so much where the depth originates from does it? so long as it's here now

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Re: Brian Berry beats Shibaji Datta
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2011, 12:32:22 AM »
That ex-Danish guy could play, I believe his standard is alongside Ravi and Dennis Mackling around 1900 points on the TTV system

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Re: Brian Berry beats Shibaji Datta
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2011, 12:57:28 AM »
Oh yeah he can play alright, very intelligent and talented all round sportsman, the state is lucky to have someone like him show up lurking in the population. I'm hoping he will be able to find some time to indulge in some coaching out in the West at some point, it would really help the promising young kids out there make that little step they need to compete with the kids in the city.

If he hadn't of been injured and stopped playing as a Junior it makes you wonder how good he would have been. I've got my money on very good / top level. I didn't get to see him play in the open but hopefully it's worked his timing back in a bit after all those years not playing.

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Re: Brian Berry beats Shibaji Datta
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2011, 11:54:54 AM »
That's a good win for Brian, but Brian also went down to my team mate Adam twice a few weeks ago..
Greg you played Adam in the Aust Open the year I had my reco. Goes to show the type of depth we have down here in Vic.  :tongue:

You mean Adam Teague? If so, I remember he was pretty handy, but I wouldn't have thought he could take down Brian. But Brian seems to have a bit more ups and downs than some other players. In the last 3 vets tourneys I've been to Brian has had a few losses that you wouldn't expect on paper, but he always ends up playing in the finals on the last day!

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Re: Brian Berry beats Shibaji Datta
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2011, 04:43:37 PM »
You mean Adam Teague? If so, I remember he was pretty handy, but I wouldn't have thought he could take down Brian. But Brian seems to have a bit more ups and downs than some other players. In the last 3 vets tourneys I've been to Brian has had a few losses that you wouldn't expect on paper, but he always ends up playing in the finals on the last day!
Yes his overall performances are great. I suppose a bit like yours.

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Re: Brian Berry beats Shibaji Datta
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2011, 09:57:34 AM »
The Danish player is now on the TTV system surfacing at 1912 points, = accurate prediction for me, yay^^

He got knocked out against Robert Frank in the Qtr Finals of the Vic open, and Knocked me out of the Elite singles(Stronger then Div 1 Singles) 11-9 in the Final set ><.

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Re: Brian Berry beats Shibaji Datta
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2011, 01:53:37 PM »
I saw that new guy appear there. 0 to 1912! You have to be doing a lot of big winning straight up for that!
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Re: Brian Berry beats Shibaji Datta
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2011, 12:06:43 AM »
he was allocated 1850 points and earnt 62 points during vic open

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Re: Brian Berry beats Shibaji Datta
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2011, 09:03:34 AM »
http://www.tabletennistalk.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?4715-London-area-Vets

 BTW Rob, As far as I can remember, I am a member of the 'advanced members group' why am I not able to access this area of the forum? You have not told me that I cannot, yet you are obviously having conversations about be in that area please explain to me. Am I excluded from this area? If so why? As the forum Admin, you have blocked my entrance, why?
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Re: Brian Berry beats Shibaji Datta
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2011, 09:11:15 AM »
Remember, its OUR forum????

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Re: Brian Berry beats Shibaji Datta
« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2011, 09:46:44 AM »
BTW Rob, As far as I can remember, I am a member of the 'advanced members group' why am I not able to access this area of the forum? You have not told me that I cannot, yet you are obviously having conversations about be in that area please explain to me. Am I excluded from this area? If so why? As the forum Admin, you have blocked my entrance, why?
Because of your attitude to the whole matter. Read back through your comments and you will see why.
It is your forum and you are able to post without moderation on 99% of occasions but when a member gets abused someone has to step in, this case it's been me.
In the past I had trust in your fairness as I did with Speedplay, and although I disagreed with some of your opinions, I did respect them. Your last angry post changed all that.
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Re: Brian Berry beats Shibaji Datta
« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2011, 02:42:31 PM »
http://www.tabletennistalk.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?4715-London-area-Vets

Getting some local support over there Biggy?

Is it really so surprising that conversations and aspirations take on a parochial ilk?

Now the only thing I will say to Rob here is that Biggy has abused me (when drunk) just as much, without such consequences. Question is, was he drunk when he abused Rob, and does that excuse it the way he seems to have been excused when abusing me? The long and the short of it Biggy is its probably not a good idea to be abusive at any time. :wink:
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Re: Brian Berry beats Shibaji Datta
« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2011, 04:38:32 PM »
Brian Berry Interview


Brian Berry Interview

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Re: Brian Berry beats Shibaji Datta
« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2011, 06:12:34 PM »
he comes across as a really nice down to earth bloke.

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Re: Brian Berry beats Shibaji Datta
« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2011, 06:15:34 PM »
Because of your attitude to the whole matter. Read back through your comments and you will see why.
It is your forum and you are able to post without moderation on 99% of occasions but when a member gets abused someone has to step in, this case it's been me.
In the past I had trust in your fairness as I did with Speedplay, and although I disagreed with some of your opinions, I did respect them. Your last angry post changed all that.

 Maybe born out of frustration, that the forum admin, though banged to rights guilty of abusing his powers, never actually admitted it and apologised. We are not stupid Rob, so with that in mind, you lose all respect. And No Reb, I wasn't pissed.

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Re: Brian Berry beats Shibaji Datta
« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2011, 10:36:14 PM »
Maybe born out of frustration, that the forum admin, though banged to rights guilty of abusing his powers, never actually admitted it and apologised. We are not stupid Rob, so with that in mind, you lose all respect. And No Reb, I wasn't pissed.
Or more so someone trying really hard to cause trouble, and infect succeeding with 2 members, fortunately for me, the truth was hidden deep in the sever log records. BigEars think what you like. The truth has already been exposed.
If you want us to trust you again, simply change your attitude and contribute for the benefit of all, then you will be welcomed back into our group.

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Re: Brian Berry beats Shibaji Datta
« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2011, 10:37:52 PM »
Getting some local support over there Biggy?

Is it really so surprising that conversations and aspirations take on a parochial ilk?

Now the only thing I will say to Rob here is that Biggy has abused me (when drunk) just as much, without such consequences. Question is, was he drunk when he abused Rob, and does that excuse it the way he seems to have been excused when abusing me? The long and the short of it Biggy is its probably not a good idea to be abusive at any time. :wink:
Sorry Reb, if I didn't know you were offended.

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Re: Brian Berry beats Shibaji Datta
« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2011, 11:09:46 PM »
Getting some local support over there Biggy?

Is it really so surprising that conversations and aspirations take on a parochial ilk?
It's amazing, Wiggy & Honey get together to prove a point. Well since Wiggy doesn't want to come down under how about you honey, this could end the discussions once and for all. I'm sure we could get a fund happening to help with the air fares. Accommodation with my family is on the house, and I'll even supply a car and food. What do you say.

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Re: Brian Berry beats Shibaji Datta
« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2011, 01:36:47 AM »
Sorry Reb, if I didn't know you were offended.

No worries, I think its hard to judge peoples feelings on here sometime. We all get a little swept up in our own thoughts and ideas too.

I think that applies to our own thoughts about our TT too. Think about this:

Biggy is proud of his achievements in TT and the depth of class in his own country for both a parochial reason, but also because the stronger his competition is, the more impressive his achievements are. Nothing wrong with some self-pride (ego), but I'll come back to this.

Rob is proud of his achievements in TT and where he as gotten to through hard work and dedication. However, in recognising that (which he has) Biggy has always felt the need to qualify Rob's achievements by putting Rob into a UK setting and saying how much lower he would be there than here. Any suggestion by Rob that he might stand a chance of making a decent match with Biggy therefore makes Biggy feel that such a statement must be false (and if not it has some mental impact that it would reduce Biggy's standing somehow.

I am proud of my own achievements in TT given the number of grades I have climbed since coming back to TT with many health problems and actually way surpassing anything I dreamed I would achieve when I first came back 4 years ago. But my achievements to Biggy, and maybe even Rob are nothing compared to theirs. So to Biggy I am trash who could never be compared to him and to Rob, I am just a friendly guy who isn't quite in his league.

The point I am trying to make here is that we all play a game called Tabletennis and we all come from different walks of life. Supachop, Honey, Blue, Der, JT, Blocker, PF_4, and anyone else you care to mention has their own story and their own set of achievements. And those achievements are just as important to each individual as Biggy's is to him, or Rob's is to him. Yet there is an argument that goes on here that tries to belittle people's achievements the less impressive they are. Why? Because it somehow cuts down someone's ego to really acknowledge someone else is doing well. The fact is we all need each other (talking about the world of TT players) or the game would cease to exist. Maybe its time there was some more thought and discussion put to that idea rather than stroking just one's own ego, or that of one's own country? BTW, Supachop is the only one who has told me he has no ego, which is why he doesn't take part in the discussions of it. I don't believe he has no ego, but I do believe he has well learned to enjoy the game and leave his ego at the door when he plays TT (and makes his sparse forum comments). Shame more can't do that! (Rant over). :wink:
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Re: Brian Berry beats Shibaji Datta
« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2011, 04:17:37 AM »
Or more so someone trying really hard to cause trouble, and infect succeeding with 2 members, fortunately for me, the truth was hidden deep in the sever log records. BigEars think what you like. The truth has already been exposed.


 Great, would you care to enlighten me as to who the offender was?

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Re: Brian Berry beats Shibaji Datta
« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2011, 08:25:43 AM »
Great, would you care to enlighten me as to who the offender was?
I've already stated 1 million times it was not me, yet you failed to believe my words, basically calling me a liar.
If you want annswers Bigears, why don't you ask the other members.

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Re: Brian Berry beats Shibaji Datta
« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2011, 08:37:32 AM »
No worries, I think its hard to judge peoples feelings on here sometime. We all get a little swept up in our own thoughts and ideas too.

I think that applies to our own thoughts about our TT too. Think about this:

Biggy is proud of his achievements in TT and the depth of class in his own country for both a parochial reason, but also because the stronger his competition is, the more impressive his achievements are. Nothing wrong with some self-pride (ego), but I'll come back to this.

Rob is proud of his achievements in TT and where he as gotten to through hard work and dedication. However, in recognising that (which he has) Biggy has always felt the need to qualify Rob's achievements by putting Rob into a UK setting and saying how much lower he would be there than here. Any suggestion by Rob that he might stand a chance of making a decent match with Biggy therefore makes Biggy feel that such a statement must be false (and if not it has some mental impact that it would reduce Biggy's standing somehow.

I am proud of my own achievements in TT given the number of grades I have climbed since coming back to TT with many health problems and actually way surpassing anything I dreamed I would achieve when I first came back 4 years ago. But my achievements to Biggy, and maybe even Rob are nothing compared to theirs. So to Biggy I am trash who could never be compared to him and to Rob, I am just a friendly guy who isn't quite in his league.

The point I am trying to make here is that we all play a game called Tabletennis and we all come from different walks of life. Supachop, Honey, Blue, Der, JT, Blocker, PF_4, and anyone else you care to mention has their own story and their own set of achievements. And those achievements are just as important to each individual as Biggy's is to him, or Rob's is to him. Yet there is an argument that goes on here that tries to belittle people's achievements the less impressive they are. Why? Because it somehow cuts down someone's ego to really acknowledge someone else is doing well. The fact is we all need each other (talking about the world of TT players) or the game would cease to exist. Maybe its time there was some more thought and discussion put to that idea rather than stroking just one's own ego, or that of one's own country? BTW, Supachop is the only one who has told me he has no ego, which is why he doesn't take part in the discussions of it. I don't believe he has no ego, but I do believe he has well learned to enjoy the game and leave his ego at the door when he plays TT (and makes his sparse forum comments). Shame more can't do that! (Rant over). :wink:
Great Post Reb.  :wink:

Now can anyone please tell me why every thread get spoiled by either Bigears, this was about Brian and he posted about me once again. And to think he's a Moderator on one forum and assistant Moderator and another one. Youd think he's know better.

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Re: Brian Berry beats Shibaji Datta
« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2011, 10:47:39 AM »
Well posted Reb... u got applause from me!

Thanks PF_4 for posting that interview with Brian... really enjoyed that  :smiley:

Rob.. you are spot on, every thread seems to get spoilt and reverted to the same ol' stuff! It has been going on for most of the time I've been on the forum!
Bigears, I'm really at a loss as to why you keep hammering on about it. If you think that convincing ppl that you are better than others, earns you respect... then perhaps you are wasting your time on this forum. Maybe things are different in the UK  :huh:
As for being the judge, jury and executioner against Rob.. that doesn't do alot for for respect levels either...

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Re: Brian Berry beats Shibaji Datta
« Reply #28 on: August 21, 2011, 06:19:07 PM »
I've already stated 1 million times it was not me, yet you failed to believe my words, basically calling me a liar.
If you want annswers Bigears, why don't you ask the other members.

 Well why won't you tell me who it was then? I'm not asking other members, I'm asking you, directly. I may be a mod on other forums, But I don't send PM's to members claiming to be someone else. It has been proven by Speedplay, that the mystery offender posted from your IP address at the time you were online, and you were the only person to have benefited from the content of the post. Lying? of course you are, and everyone knows it, I suspect they are too scared to say anything.
Regarding Rebs post, I think you need to ask yourself why anyone with any experience either leaves this forum, is in the process of leaving, or hardly says anything, there is only one ego around here that's bigger than mine, and we all know who's that is.

 regarding me turning every thread, all I asked Rob was why I can't enter the advanced members group dicussion, I was not informed that I had been restricted from it.
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Re: Brian Berry beats Shibaji Datta
« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2011, 06:41:56 PM »
Well why won't you tell me who it was then? I'm not asking other members, I'm asking you, directly. I may be a mod on other forums, But I don't send PM's to members claiming to be someone else.
And neither do I, Speedplay proved nothing except that someone was trying to have a big Joke at my expence, the only thing it caused was his infatuation with proving something that was totally wrong.  We all know that Speedplay doesnt like to be proved wrong so he went about doing whatever he could to prove his point, Facts are facts, and the rest of the crew have seen the real facts. I'm not interested in showing anyone that went on a hunting spree to prove me guilty, with sufficient and accurate proof.

If you were asking me directly, I would have recieved a PM from you - and that I have not.

Now back to the Brian versus Shibaji match. If my memory serve me correct, Shibaji was a Commonwealth Games medalist, yet brian beat him, Bigears says we dont have depth, depends if his meaning of depth is about the shear volume of players, and in no way reflects the standard of play.

See by his definition the more players you have, the higher the standard, by my definition, he could be right, but at the same time he could be wrong, they could have more players at the bottom end of the spectrum, or maybe in the middle.

Brians ability stems from years of practice, and the unusual style he has, most youngies tend to think they can belt him off, yet fail and Brian takes there points, whereas Us oldies actually keep the ball on the table and force mistakes out of him, thats why he has lost so many lately to players ranked around my level - or should I have said WELL BELOW BIGEARS LEVEL - Infact I would put money on Brian against Bigears anyday.
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