where is he ranked?

[Honey]

Nope, especially if it was on camera.

So you'd play your 100% best for 24 games straight? Never slacking even once to relax a little?

In your opinion Rob, can you name a player that is so much better than you that they would win 22-2 against you?

[speedplay]

Definetly no hope for you, once a noob always a noob. You can talk the talk, but you can't walk the walk.

Finally you are getting it Rob. We are in the same situation you and me, and I have claimed this all along. We begun playing to late, which is why neither one of us will ever become a good player. Sure, you might get some success against other vet's, but you'll never become a good player and neither will I. Phew, about time you got it, I was about to give up on you.

[pingpongrob]

So you'd play your 100% best for 24 games straight? Never slacking even once to relax a little?

In your opinion Rob, can you name a player that is so much better than you that they would win 22-2 against you?

There's probably heaps, big ears ain't one of them.

[Honey]

There's probably heaps, big ears ain't one of them.

Name some, please? An Australian ideally. I'd like to get a feel for where you put yourself.

[pingpongrob]

Finally you are getting it Rob. We are in the same situation you and me, and I have claimed this all along. We begun playing to late, which is why neither one of us will ever become a good player. Sure, you might get some success against other vet's, but you'll never become a good player and neither will I. Phew, about time you got it, I was about to give up on you.

What do you call start to late. Cause most of the guys I play against started when they were young, when I say young, I mean around 10 - 13

[pingpongrob]

Name some, please?

3 years ago, Supachop would have beaten me 22 zip..
Simon Gerada, William Henzell and the likes would beat me 22 zip,
Brian Berry certainly can't do it, PB certainly can't do it.
Maybe the Aussie members could answer this one for me.

[Honey]

In my area

I'll make it easy, anywhere in Australia. Ideally not guesswork either.

[pingpongrob]

I'll make it easy, anywhere in Australia. Ideally not guesswork either.

See post above or ask blocker, he seems to know everything.

[Honey]

3 years ago, Supachop would have beaten me 22 zip..
Simon Gerada, William Henzell and the likes would beat me 22 zip,
Brian Berry certainly can't do it, PB certainly can't do it.
Maybe the Aussie members could answer this one for me.

This answer says a lot. The point is that you need to know this for yourself. How can you understand what a difference of 4 levels is (such as between me and BE) if you don't know yourself what 4 levels is above you?

I have a pretty good idea how I am likely to fair against anyone ranked upto about top 30 England from experience against these players. I know what kind of speed, spin and power to expect at every level, I know how likely I am to return their serves well, I know how likely they are to return mine. Beyond that I am not even going to speculate as I don't have the experience here, and its probably irrelevant, because a player in the top 20 could probably have a pretty good go at lobbing me off, so more intricate skills become irrelevant.

This is my point also: when I play BE, its never going to be a level for his actual skill to be relevant. He can read the game at a different level and has a much wider array of skills that the more obvious things become totally meaningless. In your video clips you've tried to point out obvious errors which IMO are irrelevent in the context of the two players playing.

If I'm playing a player 4 levels below me, I don't worry too much how tight my serves are because all the percentages have changed.

I'm probably putting myself down too much here and putting BE's level on a pedestal. I'm a good player, but its about the percentages, and I'm realistic.

You think you're close to BE, but you've said above that you don't know what an equivalent player would be for you to play, compared to me playing BE. You've just gone straight to the top, the very best players, but this is obvious, there must be players below this who could beat you 22-2.

[speedplay]

What do you call start to late. Cause most of the guys I play against started when they were young, when I say young, I mean around 10 - 13

I also play against either young players (as I don't enter the vets) or players who have begun playing when they where very young. The point was that you started to late to become good, not that every one who starts early becomes good. So, the players you face, who started out young, belongs to those who didn't become good, the same as the players I play against. The question is, at what age did you start to play? Not basement game, but started to play on a serious level. For me, that answer is 30, and that is way to late to become good. Unless I went full time, which I didn't and don't intend to do now either.

[pingpongrob]

You think you're close to BE, but you've said above that you don't know what an equivalent player would be for you to play, compared to me playing BE. You've just gone straight to the top, the very best players, but this is obvious, there must be players below this who could beat you 22-2.

it's a real hard question to answer, when talking about 4 levels above me. Since we don't have Depth, I doubt there are 4 levels. When we play the main league, I play in Division 1, if all the former state open chap ions play, then we would be relegated to Section 2, I am 100% certain that Bigears would also be relegated to section 2..

Supachop probably has the most experience as he's been playing longer, why don't you ask him.

[pingpongrob]

I also play against either young players (as I don't enter the vets) or players who have begun playing when they where very young. The point was that you started to late to become good, not that every one who starts early becomes good. So, the players you face, who started out young, belongs to those who didn't become good, the same as the players I play against. The question is, at what age did you start to play? Not basement game, but started to play on a serious level. For me, that answer is 30, and that is way to late to become good. Unless I went full time, which I didn't and don't intend to do now either.

Speedplay, that all depends what you call good, at high school I was the only student that was allowed to play against the teachers, and beat them, but I concider them basement players. Entered competition (undefeated in schools) when I was about 17, still a noob. Then took up tennis, took me 3 years to get to A grade tennis ( but we have no depth - so you say), stopped playing any sport for quite a long time, when I started playing again, I would still say I was a noob, met Simon Gerada he personally coached me for quite some time, improvements were fast, but he was still playing the world circuit, so was on and off, along the way I had all the knee injuries, and that certainly put a dint in the aggressive style of play that you see most of the good players play.. But after the Full knee reconstruction, I said I wouldngive it one last chance and it's been paying off big time, not only is my knee holding up, but my mental approach is different, you can bag all you like, the play shown in those earlier clips is nothing like I play now.. You think that starting at a late age can't be done, maybe to get to Gerada's level it can't be done, but to get to Brians level no prob's. It's all about the dedication commitment and time you put into it.

[speedplay]

Undefeated in school? Wow, impressive... Or not. I've said it before, if they where basement players and it was a basement game, then it means very little, as it's very different from real TT.

I've never said anything about your depth in Tennis, cause I don't have a clue about it, but my guess is still going to be that you have far greater depth in tennis then you do in table tennis. It seems to me that you don't t grasph the depth at all. Do you know what we are talking about when we say depth, or are you guessing, or perhaps making a fool of your self on purpose?

I can only rate you from the clips I've seen of you, and other Aussie players (by comparing rankings) and this far, there haven't been any signs of depth in Australia, and your game haven't been impressive.

Can you reach geradas level? LOL! No, we agree on that, you'll never get to his level. Can you reach BB's level? I seriously doubt it. You might catch up with BB later on, but then it is more likely because he have dropped in level, while you might have climbed, then you actually reaching the level he currently plays at. Besides, al though BB is good compared to Vic standards, and he actually might be at the same level as Biggy, this isn't a level that is great. I might agree that it's a good level, but I don't think you will reach it.

[pingpongrob]

I can only rate you from the clips I've seen of you, and other Aussie players (by comparing rankings) and this far, there haven't been any signs of depth in Australia, and your game haven't been impressive.

Can you reach geradas level? LOL! No, we agree on that, you'll never get to his level. Can you reach BB's level? I seriously doubt it. You might catch up with BB later on, but then it is more likely because he have dropped in level, while you might have climbed, then you actually reaching the level he currently plays at. Besides, al though BB is good compared to Vic standards, and he actually might be at the same level as Biggy, this isn't a level that is great. I might agree that it's a good level, but I don't think you will reach it.

You can think all you like, my mind is already set, my body is willing. Nothing you say or do can change it. You will eat your words one day.