British table tennis

[scaredy bat]

http://www.youtube.com/BarrowTTC#p/u/3/zyQZCnibSvg

Watched this clip today. The Brits get very emotional about table tennis towards the end of the match

[pingpongrob]

JT Watch the Clip, and tell us what you think about the standard.

Scardybat can you tell us who's who and their respective ranking.

[JT]

JT Watch the Clip, and tell us what you think about the standard.

Scardybat can you tell us who's who and their respective ranking.

They are both really good, the blonde guy is a fair bit better don't you think? he doesn't miss hit the ball any where near as often as big guy, Blonde guy just inside the top 10 in Vic? other guy just inside the top 20 on that video but maybe he's better when he's been eating less fish and chips?

[big ears]

They are both really good, the blonde guy is a fair bit better don't you think? he doesn't miss hit the ball any where near as often as big guy, Blonde guy just inside the top 10 in Vic? other guy just inside the top 20 on that video but maybe he's better when he's been eating less fish and chips?

 Oh dear, you have the Scottish number 1 Gavin Rumgay WR 224 putting him above Gerada to be Aus number 2, and Jason Sugrue, ex Irish number one who has 1382 world rating points putting him at 441 on the world ranking list and 5 in Australia, I presume 5 in Aus, makes him easily 10 in Vic?

 You guys sure do over rate the Vic standard, Rob has beaten a Vic top 20 player, yet you feel that one of these guys is... 'just inside the vic top 20' you are either missguided or Lack the experience to actually know what to look for, these are two experienced full international full time professional players here.

[JT]

Rob asked me how good I think they are and that's what I think, it's not a crime to have a different opinion to you :0

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A bit of fun facts here;

Gavin is ranked as number 50 in Sweden, which I feel is slightly inaccurate, as I see some weaker players higher on the list, such as Appelgren. If you exclude all forreigners, he is (or would be, if he was a Swede) number 31. Again, I think he should be slightly higher ranked.

Compare this to his estimated Aussie/VIC ranking (which I thought was a joke) and you might get a grasph of the deepth we have talked about previously.

To give Gavin a Aussie ranking, I would easily put him in the top 5 (most likely, he would fight with Henzell for the top spot) and he would be a threat to ALL players, including William Henzell. There is another clip of him here on the forum where he beats Xu Hiu, Chinese number 11. While this win was an upset, it does tell something about his ability.

As for the other guy, he looks to be a pretty high level player and I would be utterly surprised if he wouldn't be at least top 10 in VIC.

*Correction, I just noticed that the estimation on Gavin was top 10 in VIC? Seriously guys, what ever you are drinking, send me some as well

[big ears]

Rob asked me how good I think they are and that's what I think, it's not a crime to have a different opinion to you :0

Of course you can have a different opinion, its wrong though.
When he's not 'eating too much fish and chips' he's a top player and coach, as I said, a PRO.....

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He might struggle to make the Vic top 10 though....

[JT]

Ok you guys can have your extra 10 places 

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http://www.youtube.com/BarrowTTC#p/u/3/zyQZCnibSvg

Watched this clip today. The Brits get very emotional about table tennis towards the end of the match

Forgott the topic, about the emotions

The way Gavin celebrates the points, well, I don't like it. I think it's kind of childish to act out like he does after each and every point. Even though he don't say anything, he still "has" to run a lap and celebrate the point when his opponent miss his serve.

[big ears]

Ok you guys can have your extra 10 places 

10 places at 100 is nothing, 10 places at top 20 is everything. Its like me watching this;

TTV Wk2 William Henzell vs Simon Gerada Part 1.wmv

and telling you that I think they would make top 10/20 in my county (not even country) how wrong could I possibly be? BTW, JT, how old are you?

 Getting back to the original question, this match was at the end of the 209/10 season and was the play off final for promotion from Div 1 British league (my Division) to the Prem British league, so they are getting so exited because  promotion hinges on it.

One final point, I understand that the guy in the headband in this clip is ranked 15 in Vic, its that right?

2011 NZ Vet Open Champ, O60 Final, Mick Wright (Vic/Aus) vs Thomas Samuelson (Qld), 1st Set

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I'm sure he's a wily old player in his class, but really honestly, watch Sugrue again and re-think how anyone could rate him below this guy. I think you lot are smoking something down there....

[scaredy bat]

Least you guys over the border have a good rating system going in the state of Victoria.
It gives you something to work on as a player and set goals on a personal level. I started a rating system (ratings central) just for players playing in our A grade comp (Mt gambier table tennis club ). Its pointless having a win loss % to define how well a players is going? It is the quality of the opposition you win or how consistant you play against everyone.
We also use it as a seeding guide for out club championships every year.
Was close to taking the number one spot, but lost a couple of matches in the last month. Gives me something to work on and is fun for the middle of the group players. They take winning and losing bit more serious. They really have a good crack at trying to knock off the top few players. More points.
Some young fellas hate losing, bats get a bashing after the match.

[pingpongrob]

10 places at 100 is nothing, 10 places at top 20 is everything. Its like me watching this;

TTV Wk2 William Henzell vs Simon Gerada Part 1.wmv

and telling you that I think they would make top 10/20 in my county (not even country) how wrong could I possibly be? BTW, JT, how old are you?

 Getting back to the original question, this match was at the end of the 209/10 season and was the play off final for promotion from Div 1 British league (my Division) to the Prem British league, so they are getting so exited because  promotion hinges on it.

One final point, I understand that the guy in the headband in this clip is ranked 15 in Vic, its that right?

2011 NZ Vet Open Champ, O60 Final, Mick Wright (Vic/Aus) vs Thomas Samuelson (Qld), 1st Set

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I'm sure he's a wily old player in his class, but really honestly, watch Sugrue again and re-think how anyone could rate him below this guy. I think you lot are smoking something down there....

Seriously Bigears, Mick Wright is a good player, but out ranking system is flawed, cause these fellas never play in the O40's events.

[scaredy bat]

That guy with the queensland top does not look too good of a player. The other guy not too bad, dead bat.
They can make anyone look bad though, well I think so anyway.

[scaredy bat]

Drinkhall v Reed - Men&;s Singles Final National Table Tennis Championships 2010/11

Would Henzell beat the top English players?

[RebornTTEvnglist]

Yes.

[JT]

Big ears, there are two wing loopers with similar points or less than this Mick who look every bit as good as your guys in the first video (ie not quite at Henzell and Geradas pace). Did you think you would make top 20 in Vic yourself or something?

[big ears]

I would make top 10 easily, I have absolutely no doubt about that, I never have done.

[big ears]

Yes.

 That is Henzell, below him I think things are a liitle bluured, but Henzel is not in any way a cert against Paul Drinhall. Below Henzell, you have Simon Gerada, a good player, we have about 7/8 players who are on a parr with him, two of them are posted above.

[big ears]

Seriously Bigears, Mick Wright is a good player, but out ranking system is flawed, cause these fellas never play in the O40's events.

 Your ranking system is Flawed? but not in your case I presume...

[RebornTTEvnglist]

I don't really see any vast difference in skill level in this match to the one shown above. The only thing might be the Brit one is from a better camera angle

TTV Premier League - David Powell vs Justin Han

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Big ears, there are two wing loopers with similar points or less than this Mick who look every bit as good as your guys in the first video (ie not quite at Henzell and Geradas pace). Did you think you would make top 20 in Vic yourself or something?

Well, TT isn't about looking good, it's about winning matches Biggy have a pretty good history of winning against quality players and rarely lose to lower rated players. This is something that usually gives a pretty good ranking. Would he be top 20 in Vic? I would guess so. Top 10? It's not impossible at all.

Btw, we have plenty of players who looks every bit as good as Henzell and Gerada, but that's not to say we have plenty of players who would beat them. Henzell would with out a doubt be top 10 in Sweden, but Gerada (who I have lots of respect for) would more likely be around the top 50 mark. This is how close it is in most high level countries.

[Silver]

2011 NZ Vet Open Champ, O60 Final, Mick Wright (Vic/Aus) vs Thomas Samuelson (Qld), 1st Set

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I'm sure he's a wily old player in his class, but really honestly, watch Sugrue again and re-think how anyone could rate him below this guy. I think you lot are smoking something down there....

Samuelsson was a very highly ranked swiss player once upon a time...

[big ears]

I don't really see any vast difference in skill level in this match to the one shown above. The only thing might be the Brit one is from a better camera angle

TTV Premier League - David Powell vs Justin Han

 That is because there isn't a vast difference Reb, they are all elite players, what are you trying to prove?

[RebornTTEvnglist]

That is because there isn't a vast difference Reb, they are all elite players, what are you trying to prove?

Not trying to prove anything except that Henzell is not the ONLY player we have of that standard. And I thought it was a good match to have a look at as well.

[big ears]

Not trying to prove anything except that Henzell is not the ONLY player we have of that standard. And I thought it was a good match to have a look at as well.

 Well, they are all elite players, but Henzell is on his own, a stand out player in Aus. Would any of you guys like to tell me the last time he was beaten by an Australian?

 In England we have Paul Drinkhall, but he gets beaten, Rumgay beat him last season infact, and there are also players such as Pitchford who has beaten world top 20 standard players.

[speedplay]

Might be wrong on this, but I do seem to remember that William was beaten fairly recently, I think it was by Justin Han (Who I think is Australian?) but previous to that, he was unbeaten by any player from Oceania for several years. Credit to Henzell, cause even if he is the top dog, it takes skill to remain unbeaten all the time. But, it does says a lot about the drop of in quality behind him.

[pingpongrob]

Might be wrong on this, but I do seem to remember that William was beaten fairly recently, I think it was by Justin Han (Who I think is Australian?) but previous to that, he was unbeaten by any player from Oceania for several years. Credit to Henzell, cause even if he is the top dog, it takes skill to remain unbeaten all the time. But, it does says a lot about the drop of in quality behind him.

Yeah he got beaten by Simon Gerada 2 weeks ago.  Come on mate read the Forum......

[pingpongrob]

Well, they are all elite players, but Henzell is on his own, a stand out player in Aus. Would any of you guys like to tell me the last time he was beaten by an Australian?

 In England we have Paul Drinkhall, but he gets beaten, Rumgay beat him last season infact, and there are also players such as Pitchford who has beaten world top 20 standard players.

this is such a ridiculous statement, were you drunk when you posted this one.

[speedplay]

Rob, you ought to know that Henzell did stay unbeaten for several years, so I fail to understand the need to accuse Biggy for drinking before posting what he did. I think it is a valid question and it does show a lot about the deepth (or, lack of deepth) in Australia.

The question is, now that he have been beaten, is this due to Gerada's improvement, or is it because Henzell have dropped some in level since returning home and spending less time at the table?

[pingpongrob]

Rob, you ought to know that Henzell did stay unbeaten for several years, so I fail to understand the need to accuse Biggy for drinking before posting what he did. I think it is a valid question and it does show a lot about the deepth (or, lack of deepth) in Australia.

The question is, now that he have been beaten, is this due to Gerada's improvement, or is it because Henzell have dropped some in level since returning home and spending less time at the table?

Speedplay, William played overseas for most of the year and came back for the National Championships, He always came back in top form, on the other hand Simon Gerada was busy building his coaching business instead of training for these events, I know, because I would talk to simon who would traine for 2 weeks before a major event.

The point about the drinking was a Joke - I guess you didnt get it.