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dauntless · « **on:** December 27, 2007, 10:45:49 AM »

I posted this on mytt too;
So I bought a new Xiom Blade[ from affordablett

But... now I get to EJ a little on my FH rubber.
Looking for suggestions or comments.

Here are some considerations:

Nittaku Refoma 2.whatever
Palio CJ8000/Saviga sponge from Cole
Another sheet of Energy but in Max
Energy Xtra (probably not)
Andro Impuls Speed
Sriver EL (but I don't glue)

Any thoughts or suggestions???

Energy is 42.5 degrees and has built in glue and is grippy and very nice...but I like the Palio because it has a little tack for serves and brush loops. Backhand is perfect right now. Just need a new forehand suggestion...

I like a bit of tack on the FH for serves. I have a better backhand right now than FH. I can't seem to generate the same amount of speed/spin on FH as on BH-- even with same rubber. I was even thinking of Juic 999 Elite Nano in 2.0. I am totally open to ideas. Maybe even a harder sponge.

asr1990 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 27, 2007, 11:42:41 AM »

Maybe Magna

or Hurricane 3

asr1990

pingpongrob · « **Reply #2 on:** December 27, 2007, 07:29:13 PM »

My Suggestion would be Xiom Omega 1.

Impuls speed will be to slow for your forehand. Its more of a backhand rubber.

The Omega Rubbers generate a lot of Spin, compared to the other Inbuilt speed glue effect rubbers.

dauntless · « **Reply #3 on:** December 28, 2007, 08:51:40 AM »

how is Omega for spin generation on serve? How about the short game? Over table and off the bounce attacks?
How is it for looping?
Rob, since I have given you some info on how I play, if i told you I thought Energy FH is a little too slow, not enough spin generation on serve, but control and spin for topspin is OK, would you still say Omega I? I don't hit that hard on my Forehand--due to an injury I am unable to do as much "wrist" action as I would like (like the end of a whip) at the end of my stroke. For some reason, my backhand is not affected by this injury and I can really get the Energy "smoking".
That is why I was thinking a thicker than 2.0( for more speed) slightly tacky topsheet (for serve spin generation) and a slightly harder sponge.

But I may be misguided: maybe a softer sponge is better? Not sure if my TT equipment appraisal skills are up to speed.
You input and suggestions are always welcome -- LOVE the control 3 all+. If I can get the FH dialed in I think I could get my theoretical rating (I am unrated) up at least 100-200 points almost immediately.

thanks as always for your help.

gekogark1212 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 28, 2007, 06:16:03 PM »

hey mate, just my 2 cents:
if you're finding it difficult to generate some decent spin due to a wrist problem BUT still would like to, you can try some variation of Chinese rubber with that new CTE.
I too have a problem with not generating enough spin on my serves, but I've now worked around it by changing my game (expecting more flips, opponent more aggresive etc.) and also I've worked on deception instead. I've completely give up hope for Chinese stuff now, quality really is a concern.

Harder sponges are faster if you drive through the ball, or looping when you're out of position. Softer sponges have higher dwell and hence are more easily controlled, but you just don't get that same grazing spin as with the harder stuff.
In the end, choose something that supports your weakness the most, that is, until you overcome it.

Good luck mate

pingpongrob · « **Reply #5 on:** December 28, 2007, 06:58:17 PM »

Quote from: "dauntless"

how is Omega for spin generation on serve? How about the short game? Over table and off the bounce attacks?
How is it for looping?
Rob, since I have given you some info on how I play, if i told you I thought Energy FH is a little too slow, not enough spin generation on serve, but control and spin for topspin is OK, would you still say Omega I? I don't hit that hard on my Forehand--due to an injury I am unable to do as much "wrist" action as I would like (like the end of a whip) at the end of my stroke. For some reason, my backhand is not affected by this injury and I can really get the Energy "smoking".
That is why I was thinking a thicker than 2.0( for more speed) slightly tacky topsheet (for serve spin generation) and a slightly harder sponge.

But I may be misguided: maybe a softer sponge is better? Not sure if my TT equipment appraisal skills are up to speed.
You input and suggestions are always welcome -- LOVE the control 3 all+. If I can get the FH dialed in I think I could get my theoretical rating (I am unrated) up at least 100-200 points almost immediately.

thanks as always for your help.

I'm still not convinced that a softer sponge rubber will help with your wrist injury, both my Wrists are injured from all the falls I had as a kid, and I was also one to think that the softer sponge rubbers were better, but Alas I have been shown that the Omega series really does generate lots more tops spin. (In fact its exactly as they describe it in the Catalog). My mate came down from Queensland for the Christmas break, and he has always been a Maximum rubber Man with speed glue, and I got him onto the Plasma at first, but now on my recommendation, he tried the Omega 1, and he's beating players he's never beat before. He has no problems at the net, can defend with it as well. He's so impressed that he's recommended the same to all his mates. (Xiom Omega 1 2.0mm forehand, Andro Impuls Speed 2,0mm Backhand) Same combo as mine, even down to the blade.

As for serves, these 3rd Generation Tensor's can be a bit tricky to get used to, especially with short balls and Serving, but believe me Persistence with them pays off in the end, with your all round game improving dramatically. (Only because you have to developed a finer touch, to compensate for the bounciness of these rubbers).

dauntless · « **Reply #6 on:** December 29, 2007, 05:20:24 PM »

So this kid of 21 shows up a at the club last night and is playing with Joola Energy Max FH/BH and he is smoking the the entire club except for our top rated guy who is rated like 1500-1600 but regularly beats higher ranked people due to his crazy serves and insane accuracy with kill shots.

Anyway, I could not believe the spin he was generating on serve...and insane loops -- I mean just leaving little welts on you bellyr as they drop beneath your paddle.(ok so I am exaggerating) But this Energy that I got from Taiwan is cracking up like an old tire in the desert. The one I got from paddlepalace months ago is still OK. What gives? I wonder if they are fakes...? Anyway they don;t look like it and this kid GOT his Energy from Taiwan while visiting for some time.

I am game to try something a little harder on forehand, but let me describe what is happening with my strokes. BH is coming in very well, loops, topsping, pushes all good. If impuls speed is around the same density and properties as Energy then I will shell out the $$$ for it...but how well does it last?

As for the Xiom Omega I, not sure. My FH is going pretty good, although seems a bit slow on kill shots. Everything is really good, but I am still going into the net more than I used to (before with a faster blade and Energy max on FH). So perhaps I DO need something a bit faster. How does Omega I perform on the ALL+? I was under the impression that the hinoki outer ply is medium hard and will do better with a softer sponge. Alfie is playing with H3 and CTE, isn't H3 somewhat hard too? Not sure what density or sponge he is using on it. Always glad to hear your thoughts on this stuff. So far I LOVE the ALL+ because all of my shots except for FH push are pretty good, but kinda slow on FH. Once FH is dialed in, watch out!!!

As for the injury, I broke a small bone in my wrist on the pinky side and still gives me flexibility problems and pain, but I will overcome it.

dauntless · « **Reply #7 on:** December 29, 2007, 05:42:09 PM »

btw Rob: are you using this? http://www.andro.de/en/hoelzer/kin-cf-c ... id-off.php
Andro Kinetic CF Carbo-Aramid OFF??? If so, how fast compared to my Xiom blade. If not, which one?

Nevermind-- just saw the pic in the Xiom Case... it is the carbo-aramid --what are the weight ranges on the flared? Is the head smaller in both dimensions than the xiom all+?

pingpongrob · « **Reply #8 on:** December 29, 2007, 10:10:45 PM »

Head size is about the same as the Xiom Blades. The Blade I'm using is more flexible or wippy than both the Control All+ & Strad, I think I prefer flexible blades over stiff one's, they have better touch at the net. They tend to be a bit inaccurate on flat smashes though.

As for the Impuls Speed - lasts longer than any other tensor I have ever used, doesn't fray around the edges at all.

As for Omega II, its for sure faster than Omega I. One thing I have to say is that the Yanus DF felt really nice on the Control All+ & Strad, lots of spin (More than Omega), and fast as well (not quite sure how they rate it as a Defensive rubber).

dauntless · « **Reply #9 on:** December 30, 2007, 06:16:15 PM »

This Yanus DF rubber has me a bit intrigued...it sounds kind of cool. Are you saying you used this on the forehand?
Do you remember how it felt? Short? Mid? on topspin and on pushes? Anyoen you know playing with this?

Ok, more stupid questions:
How does Impuls speed compare with Energy GP? --> I think you are the only person on any forum who has played both.

What is the closest or similar "feeling" rubber you have played as compared with the Omega I?

I am sticking with the Xiom ALL+ for now so it would seem all I need is the perfect rubber and I am done EJing...yeah right :mrgreen:

dauntless · « **Reply #10 on:** December 31, 2007, 05:04:48 AM »

Ok. So of orginal list, this is what I have left...blue are the ones I am still considering (Impuls Speed will go on BH.) Red ones are not being considered anymore.

Forehand Options:

Nittaku Refoma 2.whatever
Palio CJ8000/Saviga sponge from Cole
Another sheet of Energy but in Max
Energy Xtra (probably not)
Andro Impuls SpeedSriver EL (but I don't glue)
New additions:
Xiom Omega I
Xiom Yanus DF

pingpongrob · « **Reply #11 on:** December 31, 2007, 06:13:01 AM »

On The Strad, I think that the Yanus DF would be a better Suit.

Der Echte · « **Reply #12 on:** January 03, 2008, 05:26:16 PM »

You will like Refoma if you like to play an all-round attacking game, it used to be my favoite, until I moved to Chinese rubbers. It is, however, a bit pricey. So many other good options out there.

Skippy · « **Reply #13 on:** January 04, 2008, 12:07:34 AM »

I say take those options put them in the hat. If you don't like that idea. Say you are leaning a little toward one particular rubber put three of that one in the hat then draw :mrgreen:

Out of all those options I don't suppose you can go wrong, but I have purchased one item on the basis of it was Rob's suggestion and it was a good purchase. I really enjoy the Stradivarius and I had one just a little before mytt.net made such a huge monstrosity of a thread about it (Silver and I should make a thread about the Strad there just to give it some credibility). Also Rob is probably the only one that has slapped a dozen or so rubbers on the Strad and played (maybe Silver has? I dunno). If Rob says that Yanus DF is a good fit for the Strad I would trust that statement. You really don't have a better trustworthy suggestion out there at this point. Especially with so few people owning Strads (which seems to be increasing daily). You won't find may people out there that enjoy a new sheet of Reforma more than I do it's a pretty safe rubber to choose. I am going to go in the direction of tensors and try to get away from glue altogether, so I'll probably get a Yanus DF, and possibly a Max Leverage.

Skippy · « **Reply #14 on:** January 04, 2008, 12:30:10 AM »

I'm a little confused. Do you have a Strad or a Control All+? I read Control All+ from you, and Strad from Rob. Which are we looking for?

pingpongrob · « **Reply #15 on:** January 04, 2008, 08:22:18 AM »

Sorry My Bad, he has a Control All+.
I have also tried many rubbers on the Control All+, and the Yanus is a good Choice.

pingpongrob · « **Reply #16 on:** January 04, 2008, 08:36:33 AM »

Quote from: "dauntless"

btw Rob: are you using this? http://www.andro.de/en/hoelzer/kin-cf-c ... id-off.php
Andro Kinetic CF Carbo-Aramid OFF??? If so, how fast compared to my Xiom blade. If not, which one?

Nevermind-- just saw the pic in the Xiom Case... it is the carbo-aramid --what are the weight ranges on the flared? Is the head smaller in both dimensions than the xiom all+?

Sorry I missed this Post.

The CF Carbo/Aramid from Andro had a shorter head - 5 mm shorter than the Control All+, Weight is around the 85grams to 87grams, but is balanced perfectly. To me the Andro CF carbo/aramid is the best blade i have tried to date, and its pretty fast with feeling. Not Schlager stiff & fast. But I must say one thing - The XIOM Blades have the most control per speed of all the blades I have used to date. When i use them I feel like i can place the ball anywhere i like, including my side of the net. :lol:

dauntless · « **Reply #17 on:** January 04, 2008, 09:56:27 AM »

Ok, so I should indicate that I do have a Xiom ALL+

I never ever will glue: no time or $$$ to go down that path.
I usually use Nittaku Dine or rubber cement. Gluesheets? Probably not --> Maybe Xiom's new gluing system as per Rob's thread on it.
I don't typically put on new rubbers every few months...because I can't play more than say 8 hours a week total. So durability over time would be nice.
I want something with fairly soft sponge BH/a little harder sponge FH.
The Control ALL+ I use has a medium hard top layer of Hinoki that works well with the Joola Energy GP but it is so expensive and I just tore it and that HURT...I want a more durable rubber...I don't mind playing with a tensor. I am thinking maybe the Andro Impuls Speed back hand and something a little harder FH --> Maybe Xiom Omega I???

If I don't go with a tensor or tensor -like product, I was thinking maybe like Sriver FX or JO Waldner BH and maybe Reforma FH or even H3 like Alfie...
would I have to use CTE? If so, I would rather just get a reliable and durable tensor.

Hope that helps...thanks for the support on this choice. I definitely want to stop EJing and just focus on my technique...I am almost there. Then all I will EJ about is shoes, towels, balls, nets, tables, clothes, and cleaning products. :roll:

RebornTTEvnglist · « **Reply #18 on:** January 06, 2008, 04:21:32 PM »

Don't know if this is too late, but have you tried the LKT XP Gold Dragon? Its a superspinny and quite fast rubber without gluing. I have been trying a few different ones and found this the best for spin and looping so far with excellent control. And its not too expensive either.

Cheers,

Reb.

pingpongrob · « **Reply #19 on:** January 06, 2008, 05:52:54 PM »

Quote from: "RebornTTEvnglist"

Don't know if this is too late, but have you tried the LKT XP Gold Dragon? Its a superspinny and quite fast rubber without gluing. I have been trying a few different ones and found this the best for spin and looping so far with excellent control. And its not too expensive either.

Cheers,

Reb.

I only just got it in last week, I might give it a go on your recommendation.

RebornTTEvnglist · « **Reply #20 on:** January 06, 2008, 11:55:27 PM »

I'll be really interested in what you think of it Rob. I am using it in Black 2.2 and it just feels great. I have it on an LKT Lord of Speed blade, which is probably where it is finding most its speed from.

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