xiom amadeus all+ and off-

[prapanpong]

Hi everyone. Can you help me with this?
I would like to know about Xiom blade Amadeus all+ and off-. I saw that the speed of all+ is more than off- ( from the website http://www.affordablett.com.au ) Is this correct? because I want to try a kiso hinoki blade which is not fast. If off- is slower, then I will choose off- one. Anyway, is it a bit strange that
all round blade is faster than offensive blade? or I don't understand something?

Thank you
Prapanpong

[Skippy]

It's more than likely a misprint.  Are you a chopper?  I certainly would not fear playing an OFF- all wood unless you are in fact a strictly defensive player.  All woods in the ALL or OFF- category don't have alot of difference.  At least I don't think they do anyhow.

[pingpongrob]

Hi everyone. Can you help me with this?
I would like to know about Xiom blade Amadeus all+ and off-. I saw that the speed of all+ is more than off- ( from the website http://www.affordablett.com.au ) Is this correct? because I want to try a kiso hinoki blade which is not fast. If off- is slower, then I will choose off- one. Anyway, is it a bit strange that
all round blade is faster than offensive blade? or I don't understand something?

Thank you
Prapanpong

I have corrected the Graph's, The Control ALL+ is Slower.

[speedplay]

Rob, more info about this blade is wanted!

My Cayman feels great, love everything about it except the fact that it splinters every time I remove my rubbers, despite the fact that its been properly sealed. So I suspect I will be forced to change it soon and the Amadeus All+ caught my attention.

So what can you say about it, the difference between all+ and off-? And also very important, they are listed at 82 +-5g, is it possible that you might be able to get your hands on a lighter one?

Or does you (or anyone else) have a better suggestion for a light, soft (spin-friendly) blade for an away from the table chopping game but still enough speed for counter loops?

[Skippy]

What weight are you looking for exactly?  Something around 75 or are we talking somewhere in the 50's and 60's?  The Amadeus' Hinoki outer plies would be pretty good about not splintering.  Have you looked at the Andro Blax All+?  That's a pretty light blade.  It's got a Balsa core which obviously doesn't bother you, and it has I think Koto outer plies which don't splinter either, and are very consistent in the short game.

[speedplay]

Ideal weight would be about 60g, but I guess anything less then 75 will do fine.

I've been considering the Yasaka Balsa+, might be working but last time I used it it felt way to slow. So I want something soft (outer plies), reasonable fast and extremely light.

[Skippy]

https://www.paddlepalace.com/prodinfo.asp?number=SPFLA
Check that blade out!  It's probably kinda what you are looking for.  The Hunter blades are high quality, but they are only sold out of paddlepalace as far as I know of anyhow.

[pingpongrob]

Ideal weight would be about 60g, but I guess anything less then 75 will do fine.

Get out of that mentality speedplay, You will be cutting out a lot of good blades by only leaving a maximum value of 75grams. 85 is much more reasonable.

[Skippy]

I can think of alot of blades under 85 that are tremendous blades.  I can only think of just a couple blades that are under 75, and I can't recommend any of them except the Flame cause it's one of only two that I have played 75 gm's.  The other I wouldn't recommend it.     I wish I could be more helpful.

[speedplay]

Any suggestions amongst those bricks weighing in at 85g then?

I was kind of thinking about using it as a double inverted with the Globe 999 Nat and BTY Tackifire C which would make for a heavy blade...

I'm actually (For the first time!) considering making a permanent switch to double inverted. Still not made a decision yet, either way, I will stick with the LP for the rest of this season, but might switch before the next one starts. Reason? First, I want to play a more offensive game. Second, almost everyone I play against keeps on pushing short to the pips, so my dream about becoming a chopper seems very far off. Third, when ever I take the initiative and attack, as soon as my opponent is under pressure, he returns to my pips taking the pressure away.

So, any new suggestions about good blades?
[Skippy, noticed your post when submitting mine, no worries I appreciate the suggestion, but I'm going to buy from either any of my Australian mates or from my regular dealer.]

[Skippy]

Have you considered the Joola R*1 with double inverted?  I played against a guy with this setup this weekend and it was FAST!  He had glued up Inspirit, and a TSP X's F-1.  This guy is usually way out of control too, and it seemed despite all the speed he was really controlling the ball as well as I have ever seen him do so.  We had unbelievable rallies on Sunday.  It was so fun.  I won, but he was as competitve as he has been in quite some time.  I was really impressed with the way he played.

[Peter C]

Speedplay

If you genuinely want to play a more offensive game, you ideally want a blade heavier than 75 grams.

Rob is right, a blade around 85 grams is a much better choice for offensive players because of the old equation.

Weight = mass = speed

Ironically you already have a very good offensive blade, in the Wavestone.

If you still want a fast lightweight blade under 80 grams to play an offensive game;  then you could try the Galaxy T2, with soft fast rubbers like 35% Inspirit quattro; to keep the bat weight down.

p.s. One of my blades is a 3 ply Dunlop Maxply fort @ 111 grams and with 2mm LKT XP Pro, with a bat weight of 185 grams; it is a pleasure to play with. It's so well balanced you don't notice it's weight and because of the mass in the blade, LKT XP Pro plays faster than it would on a 75 gram blade of equivalent speed.

[RebornTTEvnglist]

Slippery I got a Galaxy K3 that I've found to be a really nice weight and balance.  I've got 39% Quattro on it with Neptune on the other side. When I got the K3 its weight was around 70grams. I put 4 coats of poly on it and built it up to about 80+ grams. It is a "really" nice setup and the speed I was getting off the quattro last night was blowing everyones socks off. Trouble was they knew not to play to it and could see I wasn't so good on the pips so pushed to them all the time. But I did manage to hit a number of strong loops and smashes and they were not touched (and that was with my weakened hand). So if you want to go offensive and stay reasonably light I suggest a K series blade might be the go.

Even lighter again and all wood is the 729 6010. I have that with globe 999 national on it and 755 on the other side. I got it with the rubbers on, but the whole set up in only about 140 grams. Its really light, in fact too light for me I think. However, it still kicks a wallop on FH smash, but I wouldn't say it hits the gear the K3 hits. But then it doesn't have the 4 coats of poly either.

[Peter C]

RebornTTEvnglist

As someone who plays with 39% Quattro on the backhand of a Michael Maze, using 39% Quattro on a Galaxy K3 sounds like a combination worth trying.

I've not tried a K3, but i have used a Galaxy k4, which is a good blade.

I agree with you regarding a 140 gram bat, I too would find that too light. A bat that I would expect to be good for playing a close to the table game, using quick arm movement and wrist action, but lacking the power to be effective at mid distance.

[speedplay]

My current bat with rubbers weighs less then 100g, which feels perfect too me, both close to the table attacking and far from it defending.

But, figuring I already got the Wavestone and liked it a lot, I gave it a go for tonights practice. Matched it up with the Globe 999 Nat and the Butterfly Tackifire C, both extremely heavy rubbers. Not sure about the total weight, but anything less then 200g would surprise me.

Even though it gave me some minor wrist pains, I liked the feeling and I'm currently considering making a permanent switch to this set up. By playing with this, I will be in a way better position to dominate weaker players and win those matches that I really should win. The downside is, I'm less likely to cause any up sets as the pips gives me an advantage against higher level players but a disadvantage against those of my own or lower level.

[Peter C]

Speedplay

Under 100 grams for a complete bat? I have blades weighing more than that.

Does it affect your swing using a heavy bat like your Wavestone set up? after using such a lightweight set up,under 100 grams?

Personally I find using bats less than 150 grams result in changing my game, i.e. playing a close to the table game, because they lack the power to play a good mid distance game.

[speedplay]

It does affect my swing, especially from Bh where I found that I was to late lots of times. I blame the weight of the blade for this but I'm sure I will get used to it by time.

I also noticed that I had less control for away from the table hits, but more speed. For some reason I think I got more spin from this heavy set up, not sure why or if the weight has got anything to do with it.

I'll keep on using it for practice but stick with the pips for competition until the end of the season then I'll make my decision on what to use for next season.

[RebornTTEvnglist]

Hi Peter,

I've heard lots of good stuff about the K4 and if I can ever pick one up cheaply I will. I got the K3 for about $30AUD delivered, so would be looking for it in that vicinity. I think retail the K3 or K4 is more like $50+ delivered at least. May even look to pick up another K3 if I can.

The K3 is an awesome little blade. It doesn't have quite the speed of the K4. Not sure of the K4's control, but control on the Quattro is magnificent. The setup is not too light to lose power (and I think too light a blade loses some control too as you don't get as much feedback from the swinging of it), but not so heavy you over balance it a lot. Not saying you can't stuff up with it, just makes getting it right that much easier. I think the blade has a nice degree of flex for looping and at the same time the you don't feel much vibration from it (which I assume is the kevlar doing its job).

On my BH its a different story with the LP's I'm only learning on. Almost feels like I change bats completely. I probably would be better having an inverted on the BH from a technical perspective, but I'm having a go at the LP's to see if I can get somewhere with them, and I think I have better serve returning with them being less reactive to spin. I don't think I can fault the blade here, its me and the LP's that aren't getting along too well. But we might one day.