Big Ears Versus Pushblocker

[Silver]

hangon, you're using a player that has had some massive wins and also terrible losses as an example. Something's up there - it could be style, people playing poorly on the day, injury, whatever.

Your record on that pdf is far more stable. A handful of excellent wins and only one or two bad losses - the record of an improving player.

Incidentally I saw that you lost to Eugene Lim. How did you go against him?

[pingpongrob]

hangon, you're using a player that has had some massive wins and also terrible losses as an example. Something's up there - it could be style, people playing poorly on the day, injury, whatever.

Your record on that pdf is far more stable. A handful of excellent wins and only one or two bad losses - the record of an improving player.

Incidentally I saw that you lost to Eugene Lim. How did you go against him?

No Hangon, you said it - Style's, and we have lots of terrible styles to play down here in Vic, Is that not what I've said all along,  Styles & BE's Style suits me down to a tee.   Most of my training is against good styles like BE, not Pimple's or Anti, although I have been working against these lately.  But you are Right Silver, Max is one mighty fine player, but then again so is Thomas, maybe not up to Max's standard, but not far of.

The to bad losses, 1 I can account for - BE made me angry and I played a full on attacking game against him at our localk pennant - it was a bad night for me, and I must say that I broke my bat that night in frustration.

Eugene is a mighty fine player & very nice guy to, He is for sure better than me, he's quick on his feet, has sharp reflexes and excellant TT Skills, and has very nice strokes. I didnt get thrashed, and put up a good fight.  Have you played him.

[RebornTTEvnglist]

Reb, let me see if I get this right, the guys who plays in the, say 70+ events and earn points in these, do they get to count these points in the open ranking list? Cause that's not the way it is done here, points earned in the 70+ group are only valid to the 70+ ranking list. The same goes for the youngster, the points you earn in boys up to 15 can't be used in the senior ranking list. Basically, restricted events only gives points to the restricted rating list.

The way its done there is the way it should be done here, but it isn't. The 70+ event points count into the open ranking list. Not sure about the juniors, I think they are separate.

[big ears]

So that's it then, we can all sleep easy now, knowing that Rob is a far better player than his ranking suggests, not that he's ever made an excuse for being ranked so low as 70 (Vic is strong, he dosent play much, other players play more, he's been injured, he's crap against pips, BE made him mad etc etc) and its obvious that players like Brian Berry are only ranked so far above him because they have more time to play, well I've got news for you Rob, that's how its always worked, the more you put in, the more you get out, always has been, always will be, but the real golden rule is, don't kid yourself, the least effective person to judge a players standard, is that person, and over a period of time, ranking lists don't lie.

[pingpongrob]

So that's it then, we can all sleep easy now, knowing that Rob is a far better player than his ranking suggests, not that he's ever made an excuse for being ranked so low as 70 (Vic is strong, he dosent play much, other players play more, he's been injured, he's crap against pips, BE made him mad etc etc) and its obvious that players like Brian Berry are only ranked so far above him because they have more time to play, well I've got news for you Rob, that's how its always worked, the more you put in, the more you get out, always has been, always will be, but the real golden rule is, don't kid yourself, the least effective person to judge a players standard, is that person, and over a period of time, ranking lists don't lie.

God you talk Crap, Let me tell you that you are so wrong, I play as much as I can, and traine even more - thats why my ranking is going up - You cant talk it down. Its a fact that I had a knee reco, which didnt help, but thats the past.  Your kidding yourself by not actually relizing that Vic has good depth.

Why dont you comment about the facts that I state, you always seem to ignore them.

[Der Echte]

Man, one of these days I will have to fly over there and see for myself what kind of shit is going on. This is always one juicy thread.

[big ears]

God you talk Crap, Let me tell you that you are so wrong, I play as much as I can, and traine even more - thats why my ranking is going up - You cant talk it down. Its a fact that I had a knee reco, which didnt help, but thats the past.  Your kidding yourself by not actually relizing that Vic has good depth.

Why dont you comment about the facts that I state, you always seem to ignore them.

 What constitutes 'good depth' ? I suppose it depends where you look at it from, If you are a top 20 Vic player, you would say the 'standard drops off' In you are outside the top 50, you would say its strong, because it is strong for you. Did you or did you not, in an earlier post, suggest that you lost a match because 'BE made me mad' ? now, I've heard some excuses in my time, but that one really takes the biscuit.

[speedplay]

Rob, you said your self that Brian plays as much as is humanly possible, while you only get to play the vets, due to your wife's busy schedule. Then BE repeats it and says you don't play much and you get all upset and states that you play as much as you can and practice even more. Now, which is it?

Also, the deepth comment, we have 2 divisions here, where WH would have to fight hard and even if I do belive he would end up with a positive record over an entire season, I doubt he would remain unbeaten in either of these 2 leagues. This is the depth we have here, while WH have remained unbeaten in Aussie for what, 5-10 years? That's the depth you have down under.

So when you speak about deepth, you are already to far off from the level I talk about when our depth begins to show. Now, imagine that this follows all the way down, then what league do you think you would play in here? You've said you would be able to challenge Biggy, which would put you in at least div 2 or higher. I seriously doub't this, Biggy has way to much experience and is comfortably beating players below his standard. Look at his results, while he might not grab the big wins, it is very rare for him to lose to a player rated lower then him.

[pingpongrob]

Rob, you said your self that Brian plays as much as is humanly possible, while you only get to play the vets, due to your wife's busy schedule. Then BE repeats it and says you don't play much and you get all upset and states that you play as much as you can and practice even more. Now, which is it?

Not Wife's busy schedule, Life's busy shedule. I'd prefer to traine than play. Training is more important to me at the moment. Please read my posts.

Now how about comenting about the depth here in victoria, BE said that it drops off sharply after 20 - my picture proves it doesnt.
Brian gets Points from all events, I get them just from vets Tournaments and pennant, please look at my results and tell me that I havent been getting good wins lately.  Most of my peers are surprised that I'm ranked at 70.

[speedplay]

So perhaps it drops off after 10, it doesn't matter, the fact remains, you don't have the same depth down under as we do here. Also, you are commenting about your Vic rating and comparing it to Biggys national rating.

You might still have got some good wins, but this isn't about your level, it's about what is perceived as a good win for you. I've had some good wins as of lately as well, but I'm sure Biggy wouldn't consider them as good wins.

So what if your record shows you are climbing, what if you reach 50th place in Vic? I mean, it's great for you and all share your joy about it, but I still won't call it high level play.

[RebornTTEvnglist]

Man, one of these days I will have to fly over there and see for myself what kind of shit is going on. This is always one juicy thread.

C'mon over Der, be great to have yer here brother!! We can make strategy on how to best CAN the Speedplay MAN (on the table I mean)

[pingpongrob]

So perhaps it drops off after 10, it doesn't matter, the fact remains, you don't have the same depth down under as we do here. Also, you are commenting about your Vic rating and comparing it to Biggys national rating.

Nooooooooooo, I never said this, you just assumed this. I said I could beat Biggy cause his style suited me.  You just dont get it. I'm sure he doesnt have 20 year old reflex's, I'm sure he not as quick as a 20 year old, I'm sure his eye sight is not as good as the 20 year olds, I mean if it was he'd be an alien.

[Der Echte]

C'mon over Der, be great to have yer here brother!! We can make strategy on how to best CAN the Speedplay MAN (on the table I mean)

Have TT bat, will travel.

Sure, we could always meetup. I would like to see as much of the crew as possible if I ever make it over. You all can make your own house odds, but I will end up with more cash in the end. I am especially interested in seeing Silver and his USATT 1000 ass in action. Right, 1000 my foot. add a minimum of 800 points (possibly moar) to that before his true rating becomes believable.

[pingpongrob]

Have TT bat, will travel.

Sure, we could always meetup. I would like to see as much of the crew as possible if I ever make it over. You all can make your own house odds, but I will end up with more cash in the end. I am especially interested in seeing Silver and his USATT 1000 ass in action. Right, 1000 my foot. add a minimum of 800 points (possibly moar) to that before his true rating becomes believable.

Silver is for sure pulling our legs, and arms and everything else he can get a hold of ,  My information tells me he's a good player, although Speedplay would call him an Anvanced Noob-

[RebornTTEvnglist]

Silver is for sure pulling our legs, and arms and everything else he can get a hold of ,  My information tells me he's a good player, although Speedplay would call him an Anvanced Noob-

Gee that level of Advanced Noob (AN) covers a heck of a lot of players. Of course once you clear AN level you are suddenly an Elite player

As for Silver, he's ok, but he'd be a heck of a lot better if he stopped EJing LOL    I got a fair idea of Silver's level now cos I've played OOAK's SuperHappyFunSlider (albeit almost a year ago now) who seems to be around Silver's level (I think they are about 1:1-ish?). SHFS I beat 10/15 or so. He and I have both improved since then, who knows how it'd go now. He has a lot of youth on me at only 23.

[Silver]

Eugene is a mighty fine player & very nice guy to, He is for sure better than me, he's quick on his feet, has sharp reflexes and excellant TT Skills, and has very nice strokes. I didnt get thrashed, and put up a good fight.  Have you played him.

yeah he's a good friend. Used to play up in Rocky and Cairns.

[Silver]

Gee that level of Advanced Noob (AN) covers a heck of a lot of players. Of course once you clear AN level you are suddenly an Elite player

As for Silver, he's ok, but he'd be a heck of a lot better if he stopped EJing LOL    I got a fair idea of Silver's level now cos I've played OOAK's SuperHappyFunSlider (albeit almost a year ago now) who seems to be around Silver's level (I think they are about 1:1-ish?). SHFS I beat 10/15 or so. He and I have both improved since then, who knows how it'd go now. He has a lot of youth on me at only 23.

Nah we only played once. I think. I won. yay. That was around may or something.

I like to think I was playing like rubbish too haha. I should have won a couple more matches at that same tourny (ie, winning 2-0 but then lost in 5) but Im a headcase player. I'm probably at my lowest point (skillwise) in about 2 years now and going to have another hit with shfs after christmas.

I had a hit with Boz at that same tourny. Technically he was only slightly better, but his game was a level above mine. He was, to be fair, having severe back problems at that time.

[speedplay]

Gee that level of Advanced Noob (AN) covers a heck of a lot of players. Of course once you clear AN level you are suddenly an Elite player

LOL!

Well, if this is the way you guys see it, then clearly you lack depth, cause there are several levels between an advanced noob and an elite player. Biggy isn't an advanced noob, he's to good for that, but I doubt I would rate him as an Elite player. If I did, I would rate him as a weak Elite player.

[Der Echte]

It is all relative. In USA, Biggie would easily be top 50 and termed elite. In his own country, he would probably not be called elite. In Sweden or Germany, there are probably hundreds at his level and would also not be elite over there as well. In Europe or Asia, you practically have to be a pro to be called elite.

Speedplay, I can see where you are coming from in the "noob" title you apply to yourself. Sure, there are things yiou are still learning about the game and still will not have learned even a couple decades later, but you are far from being a "noob'. I hold zero fault against you for how you choose to measure what is and is not a "noob". It is just that others see this term applied to them and do not like it. What is cool about you is you do not care what others like and state what you feel honestly, even if it is a bit abrasive. Those who know you well enough tolerate it and drive on, but the newer folk who do not know you take you the wrong way.

A lot of people could say the same things about me. I try to be balanced and diplomatic, but those two words are not so prominent in my vocabulary and I fail a lot more in that department.

[big ears]

Nooooooooooo, I never said this, you just assumed this. I said I could beat Biggy cause his style suited me.  You just dont get it. I'm sure he doesnt have 20 year old reflex's, I'm sure he not as quick as a 20 year old, I'm sure his eye sight is not as good as the 20 year olds, I mean if it was he'd be an alien.

 Yet is OK for B Berry who is considerably older than me and has very close games with G/Letts, to be ranked 9 in Vic? What with all that bad eyesight, slow reflexes and reactions, Wow, he must be an alien. Or maybe dispite those handicaps, he's just a good player?

[speedplay]

Der_Echte, glad to se some one around here understand me

I use the term noob pretty wide, as it can be anything from the guy who first holds his bat, to guys at my own level. The reason I use it is because I have pretty high demands before I consider people to be advanced in any way. Also, I use it to remind people that they aren't as good as they think they are and perhaps I can help them to put things in perspective. I mean, I could be Swedens best Cricket player of all times, compared to the U.K guys, I would still be just another noob.