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Cost of Playing Pennant in Dandenong
« on: August 24, 2010, 12:46:56 AM »
Hi Reb,

How much does it cost to play in Dandenong?
Can you sign up individually or do you need to sign up as a team?

When is the major pennant night?

Melbourne Vets at MSAC has a $20 joining fee, and $10 per night, plus parking fee (about $2).
Their Wednesday Pennant is even more expensive with a $50 joining fee.

Here in Ballarat all we have to pay is the $9 per night and the club pays for our registration at TTV and if we make the State Team, we even get some kind of help from the club. If you make it to the State Team you get 50% reimbursement of your expenses, if you make it to the B Team you get 30%.

I played a season in Geelong at the start of this year, and all they charged was the $8/night for playing in the Pennant.

The reason I'm asking is we might be moving in that direction in the near future.


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Re: Cost of Playing Pennant in Dandenong
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2010, 02:14:31 AM »
Hi Arlene,

Would be great to have you move over this side. Not enough females in this game LOL.

Dandy has a $75 season fee that covers 10 weeks play (paid in one sum, not nightly, but not due until week 5) and 11th week finals play if you make it (only top 2 of each division play off). There is a Championship round every 12th week which is a player's choice to play or not, but is an additional $7.50 on that night.

Seniors grades play 3-man team Monday (A) and Tuesday (B). Masters plays 2-man teams on Thursdays. You can play one seniors grade and one Masters grade, but Master is then another $75 for season (ie. $150 to play 2 nights).

Individual applications are accepted and allocated to a team in the appropriate grade. Sometimes a grading session is done if you don't know where you line up.

The annual TTV fee is paid by each player.

Carparking is free.

I know zilch about State Team costs or reimbursement.

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Re: Cost of Playing Pennant in Dandenong
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2010, 06:05:05 AM »
Reb, not that it is likely that I will show up, but is it 75 AUD for each team or for each player?

Sounds kind of expensive, here we pay ~120 a team for (2 players in each team, so 60/player) ~25 weeks of play. Then there are two individual event's that costs and additional 2 AUD to play in, and if you finish top 10, there are two more night's of play, faceing the neighbour league.

If you are good enough, you might get asked to play the regional league as well, and then you have to pay an additional 60 AUD for ~12 weeks of play.

Then again, with the crappy tables we have, it's still kind of expensive.

So, Darlene, perhaps you should move in this direction instead :wink:
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Re: Cost of Playing Pennant in Dandenong
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2010, 02:49:32 PM »

It's interesting to compare costs at different associations. Shepparton costs are simply $10 per night per player, which we are trying to change to one single season payment, rather than having to collect each week!
Sunbury, I think is similar... and they do collect once rather than each week.

These costs are very cheap in my view compared to many other sports. When I used to play tennis.... we had a season subscription, as well as ball-money each week. Golf green fees or memberships are substancially more expensive, depending where you are. I believe it's actually cheaper for the Japanese to fly to Australia for a round of golf than to play at some courses in Japan!!

For myself, the biggest cost is petrol! Even at my local club, it costs around $10-$15 a night to play (about 110km return).... so over a season, this is more expensive than the subs. I'm going to play at Sunbury again this spring and depending on the price of fuel, I'll be looking at around $30-$40 per night, plus the $10....... so a ten week season will cost me around $450, not counting any equipment requirements, drinks etc.  :shocked: :undecided:

Still...what else would I do.... sit home and watch telly?? :laugh:

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Re: Cost of Playing Pennant in Dandenong
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2010, 03:05:46 PM »
Speedplay the $75 is per player, so it works out at $7.50 a night. If I add fuel as well, I suppose it would cost perhaps another $5 a night. Thankfully I don't have to travel anywhere near the distance bluesmartie does.

While it may be expensive compared to what you pay in Sweden, its not expensive compared to other clubs here, as you can see by the costs Arlene and Chris quote.

I'd like to play on nice new tables, but the nearest club that has those is about an hour away and I've never even been there. Just know from someone who plays at my club. Our clubs tables bounce is great, just the sheen on the tables with our lighting is bad. Still, the tables are a heap better than the ones at the club I used to play at over here. And it's fees are $10 a night now!
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Re: Cost of Playing Pennant in Dandenong
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2010, 11:31:20 PM »
It's interesting to compare costs at different associations. Shepparton costs are simply $10 per night per player, which we are trying to change to one single season payment, rather than having to collect each week!
Sunbury, I think is similar... and they do collect once rather than each week.

These costs are very cheap in my view compared to many other sports. When I used to play tennis.... we had a season subscription, as well as ball-money each week. Golf green fees or memberships are substancially more expensive, depending where you are. I believe it's actually cheaper for the Japanese to fly to Australia for a round of golf than to play at some courses in Japan!!

For myself, the biggest cost is petrol! Even at my local club, it costs around $10-$15 a night to play (about 110km return).... so over a season, this is more expensive than the subs. I'm going to play at Sunbury again this spring and depending on the price of fuel, I'll be looking at around $30-$40 per night, plus the $10....... so a ten week season will cost me around $450, not counting any equipment requirements, drinks etc.  :shocked: :undecided:

Still...what else would I do.... sit home and watch telly?? :laugh:
I actually think Sunbury is about $60.00 per 10 week season, finals are free, as is parking. Blue Smartie should be comended for his devotion to the sport. I find it hard traveling to our city comp which is a measly 40klm away. As for Tele, what's that.
On a side note, we won the final of A2 tonight, and finally been promoted to the Top Grade. Will post some pics soon.

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Re: Cost of Playing Pennant in Dandenong
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2010, 12:00:30 AM »
Speedplay the $75 is per player, so it works out at $7.50 a night. If I add fuel as well, I suppose it would cost perhaps another $5 a night. Thankfully I don't have to travel anywhere near the distance bluesmartie does.


Guess I'm a bit spoiled,I have a 5 minute walk to the venue, and if I still decide to drive, it is free parking.

Downside's are:
Availability, during season, we only have Mondays and Wednesday to practice, between 8 and 10 in the evening. Tuesdays are reserved for local league, Thursdays are for regional league, and Fri-Sun the venue is open to everyone, but at a horrible rate, I think it is ~20 Aud /hour/table!


Quality of the tables is also horrible and some of the nets and netholders have seen their best days a long time ago. That is the price we have to pay for sharing the venue with the school.

Rob, congratulations to the promotion! We are still not sure if we did get the promotion or not, as we are first reserves to be promoted. Probably another months waiting before we know which division we will play in.

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Re: Cost of Playing Pennant in Dandenong
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2010, 02:25:57 AM »
Thanks Reb for the information. $75/player for a 10 week season is very reasonable. I hated the idea that aside from the playing fee, one needs to pay a "joining fee".

Speedplay you are very lucky to live 5 min. away from the playing venue and the playing cost in your part of the world seems pretty fair, but there's a lot of "downside" from what you mentioned, so I don't think I'll be moving that far  :smiley:

Blue Smartie is a genuine "tragic" , but driving to table tennis centre's to play rather than watch TV .... there's no contest... I'll be doing the same thing myself.

Congrats Rob on the A2 team win! My team also won in A2 in Ballarat, I ended up 2nd in the Aggregate Player list. Will be playing in A1 next season, I'll probably end up losing a lot, but it's good preparation for the Nationals this coming October.

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Re: Cost of Playing Pennant in Dandenong
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2010, 11:55:55 AM »
arlene, you are going to want to hammer me and let your cats claw and maim me. (Then suddenly decide to pursue your career in Korea)

I pay $60 a month for unlimited play here in Uijeongbu Korea just north of Seoul. (Seoul is about $10 a month higher) I play 2-5 hours every day. 3 times a week 30 minute multiball lessons with ex-national player(s) coach costs another $60 a month. That is pretty much the standard prices for most places. Since I got my apartment, it is a 3 minute bike ride or 6 minute walk to the club. Tourneys are rediculous cheap. $10 per event, so if you do singles and team comp, you pay $20, and that usually includes lunch. A lot of these tourneys have 2000 or so players and your club stakes out an area inside the venue to lay down picknic blanket and have at all manner of Korean side dishes and food while you wait for the matches. It is better than a rock concert by far. Me being a foreigner (who speaks the language), I get extra good treatment. I had a few other (MyTT) forum friends stay in Seoul and visit our club and do a few tourneys together - simply a blast. I get to visit the Pres. of Nexy (an online TT retailer selling all brands to include his own) and test equipment for free. I get to talk with the designer of Xiom blades, who also happens to run a 30,000 active member TT board. I make a gazillion friends and play TT everyday until I drop, or the club closes for the night at 2300. I get to go to ITTF events (just saw the semis/finals of Korea Open) and 10,000 times more people know me than I know them. I get to improve like a rocket taking off (after a long delay). I grew more in my first 6 months here than I did in all my 4 years playing this sport.

There are also numerous inrta club comps to see who pays for dinner feasts. Also inter-club comps where a club sends some teams to us or vice versa. Always $20 or less for two events plus a pile of snacks/fruits/food. There are also some TT gatherings at the huge TT hals in Seoul. I paid $10 to join one of them one night and since there were 30 players, they made 5 each 6 player teams. I went 4-0, but our team was 2nd place. That still was good enugh for a 3pack and a 6pack of tourney balls, which cost more than $10 anyway. Sports drink/water was free and you dutch pay for dinner feast afterwards. Huge TT hall even had showers. It ended so late, I had to stay at my friend's parents apartment and ride the sub back the next day. These are typical experiences. TT is absolutely happening here. I haven't even touched on all the fun you get AFTER you play TT.
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Re: Cost of Playing Pennant in Dandenong
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2010, 12:12:04 PM »

Wow Der... that's amazing! I wish the sport would grow more down here, then maybe I wouldn't have to drive so much!

Congrats Rob on your win... look forward to the pics :)
As for the telly... I don't usually watch when I'm home anyway! Usually just have the radio on and am washing up old bottles (my other passion)... or fixing something on the kitchen table lol

Yep Arlene... tragic and proud of it! hehehe. Congrats on your win too :)

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Re: Cost of Playing Pennant in Dandenong
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2010, 07:31:24 PM »
Congrats Arlene and Rob on your wins, I guess you guys didn't see my two teams last season won premierships as well. Mine were only B1 Seniors and A3 Masters though.
Mind you my new grades of A5 and A2 are starting to get pretty darn serious  :wink:
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Re: Cost of Playing Pennant in Dandenong
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2010, 10:36:10 PM »
Der Echte - I am so green with envy, Shrek will be put to shame :sad: What you've described is  "table tennis heaven".... the passion of playing with good players, the availability of places to play and practice in, access to good coaches, no need for long commute to get to practice or tournaments, able to watch high quality competitions like the Korea Open, and the camaraderie and good food are just icing on the cake !!!

If I win the lottery, I will move to Korea  :smiley: Have you seen Joo Se Hyuk in person yet?
How come you know the language? Are you fluent? Is it hard to learn? And incidentally, do you work at all?


Reb - A2 in Ballarat is not the same standard as A2 in MSAC Metro League Comp. Just to be sure you get the idea that Rob is a higher level player than I am. Actually I've never had a match against him.... might have to set that up one day ....Those clubs in the inner city are really of a higher standard. Even comparing Regional standard is not the same, as A3 in Geelong is probably A2 in Ballarat.  No matter what grade you play in, it is always good to win and whether that's the highest grade or the lowest grade, the feeling of winning the Premiership is priceless.
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« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2010, 11:35:01 PM »
Der Echte - I am so green with envy, Shrek will be put to shame :sad: What you've described is  "table tennis heaven".... the passion of playing with good players, the availability of places to play and practice in, I forgot to mention that when I go to another city, I post on the huge Korean TT board and people tell me exactly what TT clubs are around. They know who i am before I step foot in the door. i can visit a new club, play all night, and pay $5-$10, if they ask me to pay. I usually meet up with these people eventually at a tourney. last tourney, i dispatched one of those gents. He played me tough. access to good coaches, no need for long commute to get to practice or tournaments, able to watch high quality competitions like the Korea Open, and the camaraderie and good foodAll the time. are just icing on the cake !!! My first 3 years were TT hell. Two years of it in Iraq lucky to be around a table playing total beginners. A year or so in USA having to drive one hour for a 2-3 hour hit with some gents playing LP. driving 3, 6, or 10 hours for a tourney and paying north of $100 each time. Living in a city of over 100,000 and being the only one who plays TT. This is payback for suffering bad TT situation. I still made the most of it in USA by meeting Bogeyhunter and LildudeJDS.

If I win the lottery,don't need a lottery. So many come over to teach English. you get a paycheck and apartment. Korean parents pay rediculous cash to give their children extra school to get them an edge on Uni entrance. I will move to Korea  :smiley: Have you seen Joo Se Hyuk in person yet? Yes, as a spectator at Korea Open mens singles final. I tried to cheer him past Samsinov, but that day belonged to Samsinov. How come you know the language? I studied my tail of for a few decades Are you fluent? Yes, Koreans do not know I am American on the phone. Is it hard to learn? Next to impossible at first for a long time. After you learn the basics of the grammar and how to use the vocabulary halfway correct, takes another decade, then it gets real easy. That was my experience. You might pick it up in a year or two. And incidentally, do you work at all?
I have been military for a few decades plus near the tail end now. Yes, you can definately say I work.

Reb - A2 in Ballarat is not the same standard as A2 in MSAC Metro League Comp. Just to be sure you get the idea that Rob is a higher level player than I am. Actually I've never had a match against him.... might have to set that up one day ....Those clubs in the inner city are really of a higher standard. Even comparing Regional standard is not the same, as A3 in Geelong is probably A2 in Ballarat.  No matter what grade you play in, it is always good to win and whether that's the highest grade or the lowest grade, the feeling of winning the Premiership is priceless.
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Re: Cost of Playing Pennant in Dandenong
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2010, 04:45:12 PM »
Reb - A2 in Ballarat is not the same standard as A2 in MSAC Metro League Comp. Just to be sure you get the idea that Rob is a higher level player than I am. Actually I've never had a match against him.... might have to set that up one day ....Those clubs in the inner city are really of a higher standard. Even comparing Regional standard is not the same, as A3 in Geelong is probably A2 in Ballarat.  No matter what grade you play in, it is always good to win and whether that's the highest grade or the lowest grade, the feeling of winning the Premiership is priceless.

Yeah I was aware that regional leagues don't quite equate with the city ones. Its never clearcut to compare one player from anywhere against another unless they have played a few times though. In A2 Masters I have beaten A4 Seniors and taken sets from A3 seniors, but I doubt I would be very competitive yet in A4 seniors as a general rule. As it is my rise having won premierships in 4 divisions in 6 months of 2 competitions has me working very hard to compete where I am. Yet still I am, mainly because I hate to lose  :wink: And winning those premierships have indeed been priceless. I'm sure we've both come a long way since the brief hit we had at Geelong in 2008 Arlene. I know I'd only been back in the game 6 months at that stage and was still sorting out technique and equipment. A game now might be really interesting.  :cool:
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Re: Cost of Playing Pennant in Dandenong
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2010, 05:08:18 PM »
Der Echte - I am so green with envy, Shrek will be put to shame  What you've described is  "table tennis heaven".... the passion of playing with good players, the availability of places to play and practice in, I forgot to mention that when I go to another city, I post on the huge Korean TT board and people tell me exactly what TT clubs are around. They know who i am before I step foot in the door. i can visit a new club, play all night, and pay $5-$10, if they ask me to pay. I usually meet up with these people eventually at a tourney. last tourney, i dispatched one of those gents. He played me tough. access to good coaches, no need for long commute to get to practice or tournaments, able to watch high quality competitions like the Korea Open, and the camaraderie and good foodAll the time. are just icing on the cake !!! My first 3 years were TT hell. Two years of it in Iraq lucky to be around a table playing total beginners. A year or so in USA having to drive one hour for a 2-3 hour hit with some gents playing LP. driving 3, 6, or 10 hours for a tourney and paying north of $100 each time. Living in a city of over 100,000 and being the only one who plays TT. This is payback for suffering bad TT situation. I still made the most of it in USA by meeting Bogeyhunter and LildudeJDS.

If I win the lottery,don't need a lottery. So many come over to teach English. you get a paycheck and apartment. Korean parents pay rediculous cash to give their children extra school to get them an edge on Uni entrance. I will move to Korea  Have you seen Joo Se Hyuk in person yet? Yes, as a spectator at Korea Open mens singles final. I tried to cheer him past Samsinov, but that day belonged to Samsinov. How come you know the language? I studied my tail of for a few decades Are you fluent? Yes, Koreans do not know I am American on the phone. Is it hard to learn? Next to impossible at first for a long time. After you learn the basics of the grammar and how to use the vocabulary halfway correct, takes another decade, then it gets real easy. That was my experience. You might pick it up in a year or two. And incidentally, do you work at all? I have been military for a few decades plus near the tail end now. Yes, you can definately say I work.

You do have TT heaven now though Der, even if you have well and truly earned it. And if I didn't have a sick mum and a daughter here who I am fighting to spend time with, I'd be really tempted to look into spending a year or two in Korea teaching English. Would be a great experience in so many ways, not least of which would be the TT.

As for you working for a living, that's why they don't call you Sir isn't it  :wink: :tongue: :laugh: :laugh:
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« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2010, 08:14:27 PM »
I am not called "Sir" as I work for a living. I am not an officer.  :)

I get up daily at 0500 and it is not fun.

Sorry for not saying WTG Rob/Arlene/Reb on moving up in the TT league world.
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« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2010, 03:26:14 AM »
I am not called "Sir" as I work for a living. I am not an officer.  :)

I get up daily at 0500 and it is not fun.

Sorry for not saying WTG Rob/Arlene/Reb on moving up in the TT league world.

You lucky bastard! Get up in 0500! Back in the good olf day's, I begun to work at 0500, except for late Novemeber and all December when I begun at 0400. So geeting up 0500 must be like a holiday that lasts all year :wink:

Still, it seems like you currently have plenty of time to play and work on your game. So, should you ever come here, I might have to ask Nille to join in, sort of like a back up for me if I somehow should lose against you :shocked:
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« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2010, 03:51:10 AM »
I am not called "Sir" as I work for a living. I am not an officer.  :)


That's what I was getting at LOL. Don't forget my military background. I didn't work for a living (or so I was told) cos I was an officer LOL.
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« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2010, 08:58:49 PM »
You lucky bastard! Get up in 0500! Back in the good olf day's, I begun to work at 0500, except for late Novemeber and all December when I begun at 0400. So geeting up 0500 must be like a holiday that lasts all year :wink:

Still, it seems like you currently have plenty of time to play and work on your game. So, should you ever come here, I might have to ask Nille to join in, sort of like a back up for me if I somehow should lose against you :shocked:

I bet lunch you got off work before dark.

As for playing you in a match, I'd eat you for breakfast. If I get to make Nille a little more welcome here, I would say I eat him for desert. Anyway, that is what forum fun is for. Be happy to mix it up with either of you.
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« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2010, 09:15:12 PM »
LOL!

If you ate me for breakfast,  then there wouldn't be any room for desert :wink:

Still, if you play at the level you say, you might actually prove to be to much for me. Baal have helped me estimate my level to ~1900 Usatt and I believe Nille is at least 100 points better then me, possibly more. I haven't actually played against Nille, but I've seen him play and I highly doubt I would be able to grab a set from him.
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« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2010, 11:24:43 PM »
Hi Der,

It's really a plus that you know the language. I doubt I can learn a 3rd language so fluently. Learning English was easy as it was the medium of instruction in the Philippines growing up.

You are so fortunate to be where you are right now..... maybe you'll be tempted to make Korea your 2nd home  :azn:

If ever you are in Australia, do visit Rob (TT Headquarters in Victoria) and will meet you at his place. Rob, make sure you give me a yell if Der pays us a visit!

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« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2010, 09:08:19 AM »
Speedplay, I don't know if arelene knows about our 4 year prolonged smack talk deal of a future TT match and the results. Maybe she does.

I have always wanted to visit Australia, but never wanted to deal with the expense of flying a family and coping with no transportation and not knowing where to go the first time correctly without error. Having forum friends cuts down on that considerable. Now I haven't looked at air tickets, but I have to reckon it would be reasonable to fly to NZ and OZ from Korea now, moreso than from the States.

It would also be a cool idea to pop into Rob's back room TT hall and get on his vids with supachop, Rob and the gang. I don't know if I would wipe the floor with any of them, but that isn't so important. I know I would show enough to earn respect. Heck, just showing up proves that.
Can't touch FC Bayern!