Long Pip Defender Versus All round player

[speedplay]

To be honest, I think I have an easier time handling double inverted players then playing against others with material such as anti, LP or the horrible SP. How ever, I have improved a lot lately against material, so there is still hope.

[blocker]

To be honest, I think I have an easier time handling double inverted players then playing against others with material such as anti, LP or the horrible SP. How ever, I have improved a lot lately against material, so there is still hope.

Seriously, playing against anti is by far my favourite. If they chop or push with it it's easy (even for me) and the blocks are far easier to handle than the LP ones.

[speedplay]

Good for you Blocker

To be honest, Gee, I've been that a lot lately, it all depends on the player using the rubber rather then the rubber it self. A passive block with LP is as easy/difficult to deal with as a passive block with anti. LP only starts to shine when the user manipulate the spin and LP allows for greater variation then anti, but it is harder to use, especially for offensive strokes.

The easiest rubber there ever have been to play against was the now banned frictionless LP, as the possibility to create spin variation with those where close to zero. I still lost to players using them, but that was because they were better players then me and not because of the effect the rubbers had.

Btw, the last guy who told me he loved to play against anti, as it was so predictable, got trashed in 3 straight sets. Guess he forgot about the player using the rubber

Also, I know you already know this, but there are different kind of anti's, there are the rock hard dead antis that imitates (badly) the characteristics of the frictionless pips and then there are the anti rubbers that actually allows for spin variation, even though to a lesser extent then any given LP with decent grip.

[RebornTTEvnglist]

To be honest, I think I have an easier time handling double inverted players then playing against others with material such as anti, LP or the horrible SP. How ever, I have improved a lot lately against material, so there is still hope.

I'd have to agree with this too!

[blocker]

it all depends on the player using the rubber rather then the rubber it self. A passive block with LP is as easy/difficult to deal with as a passive block with anti. LP only starts to shine when the user manipulate the spin and LP allows for greater variation then anti, but it is harder to use, especially for offensive strokes.

Btw, the last guy who told me he loved to play against anti, as it was so predictable, got trashed in 3 straight sets. Guess he forgot about the player using the rubber

of course the player using the rubber is crucial but i would sooner play a good player with anti than a good player with inverted.

A block with LP (especially with no sponge) against a loop is frequently more difficult to deal with than the equivalent anti block because it often returns the spin of the loop (whereas the anti simply kills the spin) and thus has a greater backspin/greasy/skiddy effect. LP is definitely more effective to chop loops with because it can return them with heavy backspin - anti can't do this. You are right that LP is more difficult to use - it can be very erratic off the rubber and if the pips start to go then look out! 

I am sure a Swedish player - even with anti - would be able to take down an Australian blocker. 

[speedplay]

Somehow, I very much doubt I would be able to beat you Blocker, cause even if you claims to be a low level player, your knowledge gives you away and I suspect you are a lot better then you give your self credit for.

The thing is, with the "new generation anti", as I call them, you can chop heavy, even though not as heavy as with LP. I use Nittaku Best Anti, which is similar to Juic Neo Anti, as they both are slick, but soft rubber and soft sponge that allows me to generate spin.

The reason I like to play against LP rather then against anti is probably because I think it is easier to launch a powerful attack against back spin then it is against a no spin ball. As we both know, it's not somuch about how much spin there is on the ball but rather about how much difference there is on the spin compared to what we expect.

In my case, good players trash me regardless if I use anti or LP, but against the lower level players, the control I get with the anti wins me more points and they are as likely to miss against the anti as against the LP, so I play with the rubber that allows me to stay in the point the longest.

[big ears]

The thing is, with the "new generation anti", as I call them, you can chop heavy, even though not as heavy as with LP. I use Nittaku Best Anti, which is similar to Juic Neo Anti, as they both are slick, but soft rubber and soft sponge that allows me to generate spin.

 that may be true, off a pushed or easy ball, but what they can't do, is return an absolute bomb loopdrive from 20 ft off the table with all tha loopers spin still intact, it is this that makes LP's beneficial at the top levels, anti is just easy.

[speedplay]

Which kind of proves my point, cause at my level, those bombs are very rare. I've never said that anti was better for the high level, but at my level and a fair bit up, it works just as well as LP.

I doubt it would be possible to reach a decent world rating with anti as of today. Still A Solja uses anti and she's not all that bad.

[big ears]

Yeah you are right Speedy, the anti does work at lower levels IMO, but Lp's do too, you probably underestimate the knowledge you have gained through these forums about how to play against these rubbers, over the player of your level who does not, because after all, it is just about knowledge, If you did not participate in WW forums, you would not have the know how at all.

[RebornTTEvnglist]

Going back to the player Speedplay had you guessing his level. He has now put up a vid that is unedited that he calls his "ugly version". Its interesting to see the difference in someone's game when they edit out all the "ugly" shots LOL.

2010-11-03_Jocke vs Osvaldo - defender vs hitter - ugly version.mp4

[pingpongrob]

So you are the same 'level' as Gregg? or you mean you play in the same standard league, coz the two are different things, by a clever play of words, you can make the quote ''you still think Biggy is well above OUR standard'' thats impossible because based upon just about everything, Gregg is a class above you. I don't mean to sound hard by that, but every bit of evidence suggests so, results, rankings averages and visual clips.
 So Gregg was being realistic about mine and his standards, but I'm afraid he may have been a little kind to you face to face.

 can you give us your results over the last week compared to Gregg and Brians? Or a clip of one of your matches, or preferably both.

Well as such an epert in this field, What Seperate's the So called Biggy/Greg Level to the Pingpongrob level.  I Know you are going to say footwork, Spin Reading Skills, Service etc, but what about the Mind.  Dont we read that 90% is up there in the grey matter.  And I have taken Brian to 5 before, and that was years ago before the improvement in Skills - know I have to just open up my Mind...

[pingpongrob]

Going back to the player Speedplay had you guessing his level. He has now put up a vid that is unedited that he calls his "ugly version". Its interesting to see the difference in someone's game when they edit out all the "ugly" shots LOL.

2010-11-03_Jocke vs Osvaldo - defender vs hitter - ugly version.mp4

These are not the same 2 players
Now lets ask Speedplay a Question.  The Other player in this Clip - What standard is he.  Cause from the clip it looks like he wouldnt get into our into our A4 pennant.

[speedplay]

You are right, these are not the same player's and I think that the weakness of the "new" guy in this clips makes them both look worse. My guess is that he plays in division 7, which is the lowest league here, but I don't know. How ever, he is a nightmare to play against for a defender, cause he hits at almost everything and misses heaps of them, which makes it impossible to get into any good rhytm.

[big ears]

Well as such an epert in this field, What Seperate's the So called Biggy/Greg Level to the Pingpongrob level.  I Know you are going to say footwork, Spin Reading Skills, Service etc

 + touch, vision, stroke recovery, you are right about the mind though, self confidence is not to be sneezed at, reality is a balance that always comes home to roost with results, most players have an expectation, its natural, all players have a potential to improve, but the key to improvement is an honest evaluation of their current standard, without that, they tend to bypass what is important, because they don't recognise that there is a proplem. I am an expert in this field, I currrently have 14 students who pay me for it, its a bit of a lifetimes work so to speak, I found a niche in coaching that encompasses the analyzsation of the games of regular (non Pro) players, virtually all coaching programs are dedicated to producing players of the top echelon, with little room for variation, I have a totally flexible approach, and for that I'm seen as rather a maverick in English coaching circles.
 So 14 yr old kids with international potential, don't come to me, there are far better coaches with international experience around. 45 yr old men who wish to improve, but have limited time/ fitness DO come to me, its what I specialise in, and in that respect, Yes, I would call myself an expert.
Whilst virtually all coaches spend their efforts trying to make silk purses out of sows ears with little regard to the potential outcome, I concentrate on making sows ears into better quality sows ears, with a more realistic outcome.

[RebornTTEvnglist]

I think for any certain level/range of technical knowledge and ability, winning TT comes down to physiological and psychological attributes of the player at the time they are playing. The focus and desire to win by one player more than the other, all else being roughly equal, tends to be the deciding factor IMO.

Does any of this come into your coaching Biggy? Or do you only train on technical skills?

[big ears]

The focus and desire to win by one player more than the other, all else being roughly equal, tends to be the deciding factor IMO.

Does any of this come into your coaching Biggy? Or do you only train on technical skills?

I do a lot on the mental side, especially the predominant problem most local league players have with the 'fear of losing overshadowing the desire to win' that aside, most of my proteges are playing for the joy of competing, rather than their livelyhoods, and I try to instill the 'its only a game' approach.

[Der Echte]

Andy, you would have a fun and frustrating time with the likes of me.