Judging a rubber that is to fast?

[speedplay]

A quick question about rubbers here, we often say that a rubber is tofast for us, or, some times to slow for us. My question is, what do youuse to judge this? Not that the ball is sent long, as this is theobvious answer, more like, in what part of the games do you make thedecision?

[blue_smartie68]

Not exactly sure what you are asking here Speedy... 
But having recently slowed my game by changing from Bryce to Donic JP Gold with a slower blade, I notice a big difference with looping and blocking. Previously I could brush loop with the bryce but heavy f/h drives always seemed to go long. Now I have less trouble looping fast as well as slow, the slightly less speed and extra top spin seems to pull the shots down better... although, I'm still a bit erractic (but that's me, not the equipment!  )
Fast blocks also seem to land better now whereas beforehand, many went long.
The other point with speed that I am starting to notice... When playing top, aggressive players who love the fast game, my slower loops are winning more points!! Previously they simply out-blasted me, but now by having a slightly slower game, I seem to be able to stay in points a little longer and allow them time to make a mistake before I do! 
Cheers,
Chris
 

[pingpongrob]

Speedplay, THE ONLY TIME I WOULD SAY A RUBBER IS TO FAST IS WHEN I CANT KEEP IT ON THE TABLE. THE ONLY RUBBER TO EVER DO THIS IS THE BLOWFISH +.
aLL OTHER RUBBERS THE SPEED CAN BE ADJUSTED BY THE WAY IT'S HIT.
HAVING SAID THIS I DO JUDGE A RUBBER BY MY TOPSPIN LOOPS DOWN THE LINE. IF THEY GO LONG THEN THE RUBBER IS WORN OUT OR DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH DWELL TIME TO PRODUCE THE SPIN REQUIRED. MAYBE WE ARE TALKING THE SAME THING.
Sorry about the Capitol letters. It extremely hard to figure out this posting from my Apple iPhone. It has a mind of it's own.   

[speedplay]

I suppose there isn't a right or wrong answer to this, but I have noticed that many people seems to judge the speed as being to fast or to slow depending on their own strokes, while I prefer to judge it on how I handle incoming shots from my opponent.

The reason I try to judge it by this is that when I took up the game, me and my mate bought some fancy gear and thought we were very able of handling it, both speed and spin wise, as long as we played against each other. As soon as we begun to face the other club players, we realised that our level of control decreased a lot.

If I would judge by my own strokes, then I would probably be able to handle the fastest set up in the world, as it is all about adjustment, but dealing with other peoples shots would be impossible with a faster set up.

[pingpongrob]

When I was a pusher and flat smasher, then rubber speed was imporant. But since learning to loop, speed is not as important.

[gekogark1212]

Sorry about the Capitol letters. It extremely hard to figure out this posting from my Apple iPhone. It has a mind of it's own.

Oh, for a second there I thought you lost it and screamed at everyone haha 

The reason I try to judge it by this is that when I took up the game, me and my mate bought some fancy gear and thought we were very able of handling it, both speed and spin wise, as long as we played against each other. As soon as we begun to face the other club players, we realised that our level of control decreased a lot.

Try playing with those uber speed setup that you used as a beginner, when I did I couldn't land more than 2 loops on the table continuously.

As I mentioned (I think) on another forum, I typically judge it based on ease of service to produce very heavy spin, yet tight serves. But I often run into rubbers that are too slow.

But I like the way Rob 'tests' his rubbers but looping down the line. Interesting perspective indeed.

[speedplay]

Well, those uber speed rubbers were 729 fx supersoft, on a Japsko All+ blade So, I think I would be able to land a couple of loops with that set-up today. But, remember, this was our first serious set-up and we had only been playing for about a month when we faced the club players who had played for years.

So while we felt in control of the gear against each other, it soon became clear that when some one used our own spin and speed against us, we couldn't control it at all.

We did how ever stay true to it for a while and our control with it improved and I'm now playing with a set up that is a lot faster then that one and I do think I have decent control, even if I'm willingly admitting that I do trade some control for the extra speed that I need for my offensive game.

[priior]

i judge "too fast" by the ability to place my blocks on the table.. a super fast rubber (or even blade) for me makes me not be able to control my blocks.

when top spinning.. the faster the better ;)

[Der Echte]

There is easily more than one dynamic in the overall speed of a rubber. How fast it leaves the topsheet is a factor. I simply hate rubbers that are too bouncy. I also dislike the ones that feel dead. What a picky bastard I am.

[Peter C]

1. Unable to consistently land crosscourt loops or drives down the line.
2. Inablility to serve short or push short on service returns
3. Inability to keep blocks on the table against fast loops
4. Inability to loop consistently in a counterlooping drill, due to lack of or flawed technique
5. Playing passive blocks, as you don't have the necessary control to play punch blocks
6. Lack of control in the short game, leading to poor service returns.