Has Tenergy seen its Day

[pingpongrob]

I've been reading a few other forums, and the general discussion isthat Tenergy users have finally started to see the light. A lot of hypewent on about it when it was first released, and in fact our ownBigEars has used it as his primary rubber claiming to be as good asSpeedgluing.

What are your thoughts, have you used it, did you like it, will you stay with it.
I have revisited both Tenergy & Hexer, and have to say that Roxonis a far better rubber, the claims that it dont last are baseless, As adealer of equipment, I get to see 1 year old rubbers and if lookedafter correctly will easily last the full year.

Butterfly Tenergy & the Andro Hexer are obviously a rubber that suits the Ultra High Level players.

It would be interesting to see if the Tenergy Hype is still as stong as it was 6 months ago.

[Silver]

I'm unhappy about the price, but I still haven't found anything to replace it yet.
Hexer and Barracuda were good, but you really need fast hands and very accurate hitting to get the most out of it.


As for Roxon's durability, it's ok and definitely better than the older formulas, but it's certainly not as good as the old classics of Sriver, Mark V, Coppa, whatever. It's not really any better or worse than any other speedglue replacement rubber out there, except for maybe those Nittaku Renanos series rubbers...

[pingpongrob]

As for Roxon's durability, it's ok and definitely better than the older formulas, but it's certainly not as good as the old classics of Sriver, Mark V, Coppa, whatever. It's not really any better or worse than any other speedglue replacement rubber out there, except for maybe those Nittaku Renanos series rubbers...

If Sriver or Mark V was speedglued to get the performance out of it, it would only last a very short time. Roxon with its built in Performance would outlast them many times over.

No one out their can tell me that Tenergy 05 resembles a speedglued sriver or Bryce.  From all reports on other Forums, Hexer require's some for of adjustment, like most rubbers.

I will ask you Silver, How old was your Tenergy 05 that you compared Hexer to. Did you give Hexer time to soften up. to me Both Hexer & Tenergy 05 feel hard.

[speedplay]

Simple have to add my view on the life time of different rubbers, and that is, the way I glued, rubbers lasted a lot longer before, when I was allowed to glue them my self. Now, Roxon isn't bad, probably better then a lot of other SGE rubbers, but it won't last me as long as my old sheets did.

I've always considered Tenergy as a hyped product. No doubt about it being a good rubber, but it sure isn't the only one, and for that price to be justified, it should really out perform every other rubber.

Wait a second, sorry, Blue Whale III should be even better, seeing how it costs almost 1.5 times as much as the Tenergy.

[Silver]

It's true that sriver and Mark V glued won't last that long glued to the neck, but roxon doesn't really either, relative to it's performance. Neither does T05. And yes, neither Tenergy nor Roxon resemble a speedglued sriver or bryce. If ESN produced a sheet wound up for performance that much, it wouldn't last much longer than the speedglued rubbers.


The key point that everyone whinges about isn't the rubber going dead like a speedglued sheet would, it's the edges chipping off. Personally, I don't care about the edges chipping and I've never actually managed to tear a topsheet counterlooping (though I know people who have, for example my coach. When he was using tensors of all varieties; tango, roxon, desto, xiom, you name it; he's managed to tear them all counterlooping), but the majority of people care about the edges.


Pretty much all of these new tensioned rubbers edge chip easily with the older Tensors being far more crumbly than the newer ones. I've managed to chip pretty much all of these new speedglue replacement rubbers  by edging a ball; tenergy, roxon; Boost; you name it (surprisingly enough though, I never managed to chip Renanos). However, Tensors still seem far more vulnerable to chipping than anything else.


as for the Hexer, I'll pull the Barracuda off and put the Hexer on (I pulled the Hexer to try a sheet of Nittaku H3 NT50, which may have turned out to be one of the worst rubbers I've ever tried. Stay tuned...). I dislike having to break a rubber in. I feel that a sheet should play optimum when fresh out of the packet and not have to be hit for a while like the rubbers of old did (pre-90s?) so topsheet wear is minimised.


A brand new sheet of T05 2.1 is softer than Hexer 2.1. There's no denying this. Hexer feels like it's up with JO Gold.


Blue Whale is an odd rubber. Ridiculously heavy - think 60-65g per sheet - , excellent sponge but the topsheet isn't as good as H2 or H3 imo. The sponge is brilliant though. It feels like a heavily glued 999 National sponge...

[big ears]

and in fact our ownBigEars has used it as his primary rubber claiming to be as good asSpeedgluing.

 Actually, I said its as good FOR ME as speed glue, mainly because of its really heavy topspin potential and consistency. I've had to alter my stroke slightly and play with a thinner more closed contact on f/hand loops. Its only better for me because its spinnier than using sp/glue, but given the fact that it costs me £70 to cover my bat, I'd rather go back to sp/glue and $10 dawie inspirit.

[Peter C]

Tenergy is still a valid choice, for players who have the skills to handle it properly and whose game it suits.

However, there are a lot players whose game is not suited to using Tenergy, for various reasons and for them, there are better choices of rubber on the market.

Although I haven't tried Roxon or Hexer, I do know better players than me, who play well with them.

J O Coppa Gold has impressed my with the way it performs on the Yasaka Extra, on both forehand and backhand and it's a better rubber; than J O Silver.

Blue Whale II as someone has pointed out is a very heavy rubber, but if you like H2 and you don't mind the weight, then it's a rubber worth considering. It's very good for the third ball type of game and close to the table loopers, but like Tenergy it can be unforgiving of mistimed or miss hit shots.

Chinese rubbers also worth considering are the DHS Neo series.

The Hurricane 3 Neo and TG3 Neo, are around the same weight as Tenergy 64, cut for a 157 x 150 mm blade face and are good choices for players, who like Chinese rubbers like Skyline 3 and Hurricane 3.

The other good thing about the Neo series it costs around £15 for the commercial series and £16 for the provincial series. As such you can buy 2 Neo rubbers for less than one sheet of Tenergy.

[gekogark1212]

I think I was one of the first players to start mouth off about tenergy 05 whilst people were praising it. But after soooo many different combinations, I think t05 does earn some credit on 5-ply wood blades like the Korbel.

Personally, I think the t05 is excellent on serve and 3rd ball, any ball that is long can be ripped off the table, regardless of how much spin is on the ball. But to be honest its short game was pretty bad for me, and even though I can handle bouncy rubbers (like F3, impuls speed), i never got tha hang of t05.

t64 and t25 on the other hand are just great rubbers. t64 on looping and t25 on blocking...but it seems they are both 'excel at one aspect' type rubbers and not as well rounded as say JO Gold, Tango Extrem, or Coppa Speed.

[Silver]

I find T05 one of the better rubbers for the short game. Not as good as a Hurricane, but better than a tensor. It's probably just my style or something, but I guess topsheet grip is what matters to me.


Tensors are sort of superior for loop feel though...

[RebornTTEvnglist]

I like to flat hit more often than I spinny loop, so T05 is not my rubber of choice. I think T05 excels at spin and Roxon 450 comes close but I don't feel it does quite as well as T05. However, in flat hitting T05 loses out big time to Roxon's speed. Durability wise, T05 may outlast Roxon, but Roxon's well durable enough to not be a big issue. I agree and have almost proven Rob's assertion about Roxon lasting 12 months. I'm almost there (up to about 10 months) with it and its still going strong. I don't feel its lost much in that time. I'll probably change to my sheet of Proton before the Roxon gets to 12 months given my season and year ends next week with 2 finals. If the Proton doesn't work out, I'll be onto a new sheet of Roxon (although I have some Outlaw I need to try on the Gergely first). If the Proton does work out and it lasts me all next year as I believe the Roxon would have if I started this year with it from the beginning, then I will be wrapped. The tenergy will last me years and years I suspect, since I hardly use it LOL.

[Skippy]

I'm kinda with Silver on this one.  I can't speak to the Roxons or Hexer, but I really like the T05 on my forehand side.  It's been the best rubber I have played for my style.  It's spin is unbelievable, and I wouldn't call it an extremely fast rubber.  I would say that it uses incoming spin very well in producing speed within the rally.  The Xiom Omega II Euro on my backhand side is still my favorite backhand rubber, but man if I look at that rubber the wrong way it chips off a little more on the edge.  How do the Roxons, and Hexers compare to the Euro Omega II?  I am kinda in the market for my backhand side.  A tad harder, and more durable Omega II Euro?

[RebornTTEvnglist]

Hey Skippy, LTNS!


I used Omega II Asian before going to Roxon. Used T05 and Outlaw a bit in between. I didn't mind Omega, but Roxon 450 has it all over it! Superior spin, superior control, much more durable! I have a couple of chips on the edge of the Roxon after 10 months playing with it, which probably could have been avoided if I had left edge tape on my blade. But I changed my pips a few times and got sick of re-edge taping. I have a sheet of Proton XP 385 Sound from Gewo that I thought would have been at least 3 months on the blade by now, but its still uncut. Simply because the Roxon has been soooo very good and durable. When I do put the Gewo on, I'll be removing the Roxon carefully as it still has life left and I'm going to try it on another blade. Perhaps my Hurricane King which hasn't been used this year! Just love the Gergely!!


Highly recommend trying Roxon 450!!

[butterfly Tenergy 05]

 
what up dood!

of course I have used it, and I didn't like it, I loved it ROB! I will stay with it until a better counter looping rubber comes along.  None of the new ESN clones come close because of the topsheets. 

This is my first post here I think Rob, hope I am welcome mate.

[pingpongrob]

what up dood!

of course I have used it, and I didn't like it, I loved it ROB! I will stay with it until a better counter looping rubber comes along.  None of the new ESN clones come close because of the topsheets. 

This is my first post here I think Rob, hope I am welcome mate.

Hi & Welcome Tenergy 05 (Bozivegas). Of course you are Welcome, This Forum belongs to the members - I just host the site.

Now back to the subject, you say that the surface of Tenergy 05 is differant to that of the New ESN rubber, by that I guess you are refering to Hexer. Now I believe you are a school teacher, so you might understand a little science. If Tenergy 05 is made from 100% Natural rubber & Hexer is made from 100% natural rubber, what is the differance. Does Butterfly have a formula for making better 100% natural rubber or what.

From my days of talking to paint chemists, I understand that any compound can be broken down to it raw materials and copied. Now of course some form of patent or Copyright laws might be broken. So are we saying that after the great uptake of Tenergy 05 (it seems to be the most popular), the Chemists at ESN weren't smart enough to actually see what the differance was.

My understanding is that Both Hexer & Tenergy have roughly the same Top sheet (Very Grippy), but Tenergy has a slightly harder Sponge which makes it faster.  This harder Sponge seems to be to the liking of most higher level players, although not all.

This is an email that Andro recieved earlier last week.

"I have been using HEXER for the past 3 months and I am having great success – I am No2 in my League Division with 90% success and my team is No1 having not lost a single game all season. I need to renew the HEXER rubbers now as I play in 3 leagues and want HEXER + to help maintain my performance."

[speedplay]

Now back to the subject, you say that the surface of Tenergy 05 is differant to that of the New ESN rubber, by that I guess you are refering to Hexer. Now I believe you are a school teacher, so you might understand a little science. If Tenergy 05 is made from 100% Natural rubber & Hexer is made from 100% natural rubber, what is the differance. Does Butterfly have a formula for making better 100% natural rubber or what.

Even though it is 100 natural rubber, I think you can do different stuff to it. I can serve you a raw egg, one fried egg and one boiled egg, all the time, I'm always serving you 100% egg, but I bet you would be able to spot the difference.

[RebornTTEvnglist]

Just as an egg can come from a different chicken to another egg, same goes for rubber (except rubber doesn't come from chickens unless its a rubber chicken hehe). I'm sure there are lots of factors that could make a difference. btw, I like my eggs scrambled LOL.

[Tenergy]

I think it is a very good rubber, and lots of my mates say it is too. But i don't think I will stick with it unless the price lowers. My old bat ; Butterfly Primorac Carbon + Tenergy 25 both sides got stolen from my house :( But my mum said that she would buy me a bat up to 200 dollars. I was thinking about getting a sheet of Tenergy but Instead I got Donic Desto F2 and I love it. Andro Plasma 430 is also very good

[pingpongrob]

Even though it is 100 natural rubber, I think you can do different stuff to it. I can serve you a raw egg, one fried egg and one boiled egg, all the time, I'm always serving you 100% egg, but I bet you would be able to spot the difference.

If its modified, then its not 100% natural - or am I missing the point.

[speedplay]

If its modified, then its not 100% natural - or am I missing the point.

In that case, none of the rubbers are 100% natural, cause as far as I know, red is a pretty unusual colour for 100% natural rubber. I think there are several ways of modifying a rubber but still only use 100% natural rubber. For instance, what about stretching it? This would still be 100% natural rubber, but it would behave differently.

[butterfly Tenergy 05]

I will digress a touch - I am not going to bother with explaining anything more about the topsheet being grippier, it simply is, if you have played with both and I have played with both Vega Pro and Hexer and even older tenergy on opposite sides of the blade, the tenergy catches the ball with the topsheet better.

I congratulate ESN for the sponge - to me it looks like they have done a wonderful job with lots of variations.  But the ESN topsheet has always had the same softness, smoothe feel for me and it doesnt seem that different in these new rubbers.  They are funny enough smoother and slicker.

anyway thanks for the welcome lets talk about something else shall we?