Andro Carbo-Aramid

[Darno]

This is my first post in this forum.  I notice lot of you guys here have alot of knowledge with Andro and Ziom's blade/rubbers.  My question is what rubbers would pair up good with my new Carbo-Aramid blade.  I currently have a really old pair of 2.0 Torpedo (FH) and Hammond X 2.0 (BH) on it.  I don't speed glue and don't want to waste any time with any sponge treatment,  so what I'm looking for is a Andro or Ziom rubber with built in glue effect.  My main setup at the moment is a Kreanga Carbon w/Cermet (fh) and Sriver g2fx (bh).  I've only had a few hit with Anro blade and feel the potential with it, but I really want to get new rubbers on it.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.

[pingpongrob]

Welcome Darno.

My personal best blade of all time is the andro Carbo/Aramid. It sure is a bueaty.
I have tried many rubbers on this blade, Cheap chinese right up to the german Tensors.

At the moment, I'm using Xiom Omega II 2.0mm on my forehand & Andro Impuls speed on my Backhand, again 2.0mm.

If you look in the video section you will see me hitting with that combination. I'm not looking at changing either, I'm finally happy with my combination. When my mates have a hit my my equipment, they all say - HOW MUCH GLUE DO YOU USE. I even use the water based Xiom glue to apply my rubbers.  

[Darno]

Thanks for the input Rob.  I gonna give it a try once I come up with more cash.

[alfie]

This is one of those repeat offender blades,I have never heard a bad word about this blade.Some blades are just the dogs bollocks I feel this is one of them.Not tried it probably because I had a bad experience with an andro blade but silly really I should have given it a try.

[pingpongrob]

This is one of those repeat offender blades,I have never heard a bad word about this blade.Some blades are just the dogs bollocks I feel this is one of them.Not tried it probably because I had a bad experience with an andro blade but silly really I should have given it a try.

Alfie, this blade is considerably faster than the Xiom Control All+, I would say getting close to the Power ++, but with more spring to it.

[alfie]

Alfie, this blade is considerably faster than the Xiom Control All+, I would say getting close to the Power ++, but with more spring to it.

     Rob I am not for quite some time going to stop using the control ALL+ just thinking of backup blades that I want to try out with Chinese rubbers,I will see how the T4 goes first.May get around to the Andro within the next few months we will see how things go.This control ALL+ is just unreal for my game

[Darno]

I was actually thinking about getting a strad or a Control All+ because of the good reviews that I've been reading on many different forums, but decided not too because of one reason, the speed was not as fast or faster than the TBS.  This Carbo-Aramid blade is my main setup now.  Can't wait til I get new rubbers for it.

[pingpongrob]

I was actually thinking about getting a strad or a Control All+ because of the good reviews that I've been reading on many different forums, but decided not too because of one reason, the speed was not as fast or faster than the TBS.  This Carbo-Aramid blade is my main setup now.  Can't wait til I get new rubbers for it.

The Xiom Control All+ is a touch faster than a Timo Boll Spirit. Supachop brought one over the other day, and we tried it.

[Silver]

So...
why is it marketed as an All+ blade?

[pingpongrob]

So...
why is it marketed as an All+ blade?

More to the question, why is the TBS marked as a medium fast blade.

I classify both blades as ALL+ or maybe OFF- at best.

[Silver]

haha
The TBS is an off blade in my books.
All+ blades are much slower.

To be honest I'm not surprised that the control all+ is quick. aramid/carbon, thick hinoki top. 6.5mm thickness or something. There's no way that can be all+ speed.

[pingpongrob]

haha
The TBS is an off blade in my books.
All+ blades are much slower.

To be honest I'm not surprised that the control all+ is quick. aramid/carbon, thick hinoki top. 6.5mm thickness or something. There's no way that can be all+ speed.

The reason its called an ALL+ is because it has the feeling & control of an ALL+ blade. It is definitely unique.

[alfie]

my control ALL+ is not as fast as the TBS I had but for sure is not an ALL+ blade.You are right in saying it's got the control of an ALL+ blade but I would say it's just an average OFF blade and for sure doesn't seem as fast as a TBS to me.The blade really is unique

[Skippy]

So...
why is it marketed as an All+ blade?

More to the question, why is the TBS marked as a medium fast blade.

I classify both blades as ALL+ or maybe OFF- at best.

If that's true then the Stradivarius is no doubt an ALL+ blade.  Cause my Strad is just a hair slower than the couple TBS's I have tried.

[alfie]

If that's true then the Stradivarius is no doubt an ALL+ blade.  Cause my Strad is just a hair slower than the couple TBS's I have tried.

    when Rob tried the control ALL+ a couple weeks back in the Vid he had H3 on it and it is pretty slow whith H3,I don't know what the Orlando rubber is but suspect it has a bit more spring to it than H3

[alfie]

just realized the orlando is a blade  :lol:

[Darno]

I have a TBS and compared to my SC and Stiga Titanium I would consider it an off blade.

[pingpongrob]

Well we just hope that SupaChop, who has used both can make a comment on the speed and control of the All+.

As for your strativarious, When I tried them, they felt faster than the control All+, and thats without a doubt.

[alfie]

As for your strativarious, When I tried them, they felt faster than the control All+, and thats without a doubt.

 
    Rob you had H3 on the Control ALL+ and a tensor rubber on the Strad,the strad will feel a lot faster with that combo.I would guess with the same rubbers the strad would be not much faster
      When I used a TBS I thought it was pretty fast

[pingpongrob]

I tried the Control All+ with the H3 on one side and the Omega 2 on the other. One of the Strad's i tried had the Omega 2 on it as well. The Strad felt faster for sure. But not superfast. I think what most people dont understand is there is a big range that can be classified as OFF.

And even though we might say a blade is Offensive in nature, it might still have very good control, Which might make a manufacturer consider calling it an Allround Blade.

Thats why its important to Have a play with a blade before buying. Before I had my own store, I think I must have bought about 15 differant Blades, some fast some slow.

For instance a Donic Applegren ALL+, is considered a slow control blade, yet to me its also a fast blade. The way its manufactured, when hitting a stroke - you get a little bit of a whipping action, which increase the speed of the ball.

Another thing that most people should try and remember, that when Topspinning, even a superfast blade, like the Andro Carbo-Aramid, will not feel as fast because of the angle the ball is struck at. Yet if the same blade is used for Flat Smashing its considered fast. And at the same time it might be considered slow compared to a Butterfly Schlarger Carbon. (One is Stiff, and the other Flexible or springy).

[alfie]

Another thing that most people should try and remember, that when Topspinning, even a superfast blade, like the Andro Carbo-Aramid, will not feel as fast because of the angle the ball is struck at. Yet if the same blade is used for Flat Smashing its considered fast. And at the same time it might be considered slow compared to a Butterfly Schlarger Carbon. (One is Stiff, and the other Flexible or springy).

     Thick balsa blades are very fast when topspining a ball but as soon as you flat hit with them they suck bigtime,it's like all the energy has been sapped out of the blade,I never experienced anything like it where a blade is faster at an angle than a flat hit but some balsa blades are like that

[lbguy77]

Hey guys after reading all the good comments about the Andro Carbo-Aramid blade i ordered one. I also ordered Hurricane 2 and 3 rubbers for it. Has anyone tried these rubbers on this blade? i was planning on using speed glue (Fair Chack), but a also have some Butterfly Free Chack glue, not sure what will be better suited for this rubber.

The reason i ask is it sound as if this blade likes some rubbers better than others. I have a Stiga allaround CR that I could put the Hurricane's on if its not a good fit for the Andro Carbo-Aramid. I would like to cut it to the Stiga blade if its not going to work for the Andro since the Andro has a smaller head.

Any input would help. Its all in the mail and i am excited to put it together.

[speedplay]

Haven't tried the blade, so I can't offer any input about how it will work with the rubber you mentions, hopefully someone else here can help you.

Just wanted to point out to you that speed glue has been banned and using it now would make your bat illegal. You can off course continue to use it, if you don't intend to play any sanctioned tournaments, but if you are going to play in tournaments, make sure to air out your bat before entering. Don't want to get caught cheating.

Also, welcome to the forum!

[lbguy77]

Thanks for the welcome Speedplay.

For right now it's just my buddies and I playing. They use speed glue as well, it bums me out that they banned it, I like the way glueing feels. I plan on buying an Impulse Speed and an Omega 2 sheet for the KCA one day. I ordered the hurricane's cause a buddy has it on his Andro Explorer Off+ and i love the way it plays. It was also in my price range.

Has anyone else tried the KCA Hurricane combo? I ordered the standard sheets, no blue sponge or anything special.

[RebornTTEvnglist]

Haven't used that combo either lbguy77. I reckon there's a god chance it will be good though. The Hurricane rubbers while heavy have a nice feel to them and are good for looping, and block quite well too. The KCA should give them a nice base to play off from what I know of the blade (reviews etc.). The H3 has higher throw than the H2. Don't know if you are aware of this. So the H2 will give you less margin for error over the net to land on the table. The H3 will give a bigger arc, so be easier to bring down. It all depends on your looping style as to which will work better.

Oh, and welcome to the forum from me as well.

[rokphish]

Hullo there!

I have used H2 on this blade. At the time I was comparing H2 sponge 20 vs H2 sponge 19, both were the commercial (cheap) version. I like my old H2#20 better on this blade probably because the rubber had been well used, had been primed before and had tasted speedglue. The H2#19 was not broken in yet at the time and felt deader.

I thought that the H2 worked pretty well on the blade. Good speed, spin, and control. My coach and my training buddy (one who also train with the same coach) didn't agree. They thought that this setup had less "KICK" compared to the Hurricane King + H3 Provincial. Well, considering the price and quality of H3P is higher than that of the H2 commercial and that the HK blade has longer dwell time yes the ACA + H2 had less "kick", but it was pretty good nevertheless.

I'm not sure whether you're used to using Hurricane rubbers, if not it will take some time to get accustomed to using them...
Good luck and let us know how it goes.

By the way, I would recommend you to prime the Hurricane rubbers as they would be (too) hard to use as is, unless you've used them before and like the hardness...

p.s. you could cut the rubbers to fit the bigger blade and then use them on the ACA. Having a little bit of overhang wouldn't be too bad. I use bigger size rubbers on the ACA too, no problemo...

[lbguy77]

Thanks for the info and the welcome. Yes I have played with the standard Hurricanes and did like them for my style. You mentioned i should prime the hurricane's. do you mean put a layer or two of speed glue on them before glueing to the blade? I did see some other rubbers that someone recommended on this site called Dawei Inspirit, and Inspirit Quattro ULTRALIGHT. The price was right so i bought both, i figure i should have a good set up between all this equipment. I just have to find the right combination. I will post my findings, thanks for all your help. my mind is a bit more at ease.

[RebornTTEvnglist]

Which Insprit and IQUL sponge hardness did you get? These are very good rubbers. You may find you like them more than Hurricane Rubbers. I did. However, I like Joola Tango more. The Tango price tag is a fair bit higher though. Dawei rubbers are good value for money.

[rokphish]

I was referring to this priming: http://forum.oneofakindtrading.com.au/v ... ng+rubbers

Let us know how you do...

[lbguy77]

I got the Inspirit Quattro UL 2.0mm reg 40 degrees for my forehand and the standard Inspirit 2.0mm 40 degree on the backhand. I just got them today and glued them up on the Stiga Allaround CR. Those rubbers brought that blade to life. I had never really liked the blade before cause it was so slow, but these rubbers are working great. Good control and enough speed to get the job done.

The new andro KCA will be here tomarrow, I am pretty excited. I cant wait to glue those Inspirit rubbers up on the KCA. My buddy wants to take the Hurricanes off my hands, so i am going to order another set of the Inspirits so i can have both blades up and going. That way when people come over they will have a decent set up to play with.

RebornTTEvnglist, do you have any suggestions on the Inspirit rubber? model, thickness, and hardness fot the next order? I just went kinda middle of the road on the Inspirit cause i did not know what to expect. I find them to have plenty of control, and i like speed so thicker maybe good fot the KCA? Maybe harder or softer? PS I do still speed glue.

Thank you everyone for all your help.