amati OFF-

[alfie]

Rob have you had a hit with this blade? I may be selling my maximus and if I do I just might have a go at the amati

[Skippy]

I bet it's not like Aramid Carbon.

[pingpongrob]

I will give it a go on monday night.

[alfie]

I like what I see and just think the soft carbon may not be a gimmic.I really like the offensive aspects of composit blades such as SC TBS but also need more controled blocking and short game than they offer especially blocking.
      I am thinking the Amati may provide this,it will be only a backup for my control 3 as I doubt it will be as good as it.

http://www.affordablett.com.au/shop/pro ... e08ba4195c

[alfie]

Rob can you also tell me what wood is the top ply made out of or if you can't find out mabe you could take a picture,also is it thin or thick top ply cheers

[Silver]

It looks like limba, but I'm not quite sure.

The blade sounds similar to the WSC, MLC, etc

[Skippy]

That's exactly what I was going to say!

[alfie]

It looks like limba, but I'm not quite sure.

The blade sounds similar to the WSC, MLC, etc

Not tried any of those blades but I was thinking the same,does the WSC play well with soft rubbers?

[alfie]

the WSC is 7 ply hollow handle and Amati is 5 ply seems to be solid handle,so it is a different blade but probably plays similar due to the soft carbon (probably a fleece)

[Silver]

the WSC is 7 ply hollow handle and Amati is 5 ply seems to be solid handle,so it is a different blade but probably plays similar due to the soft carbon (probably a fleece)

No, wrong.
The WSC is 5+2 ply
The Amati is also 5+2 ply.

[pingpongrob]

the WSC is 7 ply hollow handle and Amati is 5 ply seems to be solid handle,so it is a different blade but probably plays similar due to the soft carbon (probably a fleece)

No, wrong.
The WSC is 5+2 ply
The Amati is also 5+2 ply.

Sorry Silver, your not wrong very often - but this time we got you. The Amati is a 5 ply Blade, 2 outer Timber,  2 carbon & thick centre core. Here's the pic for proof.

[attachment=0:de5db]Amati.jpg[/attachment:de5db]

[Silver]

I claim shennanigans!
The Xiom catalog you sent me claims the stradivarius is "5 ply Aramid-Carbon"
Next to it, it says that the amati off- is 5-ply Carbon.
Now I know that the strad. is a 5+2ply...

[Silver]

Ok, now I'm claiming even more shennanigans!

See marked.

The colour change between the surface and before the carbon doesn;'t look like one continuous layer to me

Incidentally, if that is indeed a layer, the proportions look identical to my WSC. Would have measure it to compare dimensions.

[pingpongrob]

Sorry mate, Its not, just an illusion. Its just the grain changing colour. Its definetely a thick outer layer, Have a look at the lower one, you can clearly see its one.

[alfie]

the WSC is 7 ply hollow handle and Amati is 5 ply seems to be solid handle,so it is a different blade but probably plays similar due to the soft carbon (probably a fleece)

No, wrong.
The WSC is 5+2 ply
The Amati is also 5+2 ply.

Sorry Silver, your not wrong very often - but this time we got you. The Amati is a 5 ply Blade, 2 outer Timber,  2 carbon & thick centre core. Here's the pic for proof.

[attachment=0:b52c4]Amati.jpg[/attachment:b52c4]

      the control ALL+ says 5ply aramid/carbon and it is 5 ply,are you sure the strad is 7 ply can you get a pic?

[Silver]

Sorry mate, Its not, just an illusion. Its just the grain changing colour. Its definetely a thick outer layer, Have a look at the lower one, you can clearly see its one.

The lower half looks like two layers too.
Any chance of a pic without the flash on?

The stradivarius is definitely 5+2.



hmm
Found a pic on the champion site, and yeah it looks like 3+2

Why would they call the strad 5ply then?

[Silver]

Here's another question

Speed: "3 ply, x-carbon"
power: "3 ply, x-carbon"
power off: "3 ply, x-carbon"

^^ Those are obviously correct.

control off "5 ply aramid carbon"
I though these were 3+2?

yet they put
stradivarius: 5-ply aramid carbon

[Silver]

hrm
German Xiom have two Amati blades.

One's 3+2, other is 5+2.

http://www.xiom-deutschland.de/download ... oelzer.pdf

So they've got different specced blades for different parts of the world rob?


Question time:
Champion (I assume you bought it directly from Korea) sells both the 3+2 and 5+2 version on their website. Which did you get?

[pingpongrob]

hrm
German Xiom have two Amati blades.

One's 3+2, other is 5+2.

http://www.xiom-deutschland.de/download ... oelzer.pdf

So they've got different specced blades for different parts of the world rob?


Question time:
Champion (I assume you bought it directly from Korea) sells both the 3+2 and 5+2 version on their website. Which did you get?

OF course I did, I am shocked that you asked that question.  

I ordered the current Version, The price list only shows 1 type. But they do make to order as well.

How can you tell by looking at those photo's that its 5ply anyway.

That Catalogue, is the European Version. Have a look at the Double pack of long pimples - Thats discontinued. They have differant goods all over the world, to suit the differant markets. If I thought that their was a market for the goods, they would supply me.

[Silver]

the photos are off the champion kr website.

if you zoom in, you cna see the plies, sorta
Also, the 5+2 version is marked on the blade "Offensive -" while the 3+2 version is marked "Offensive"

[speedplay]

Could someone explain to a blade/ply noob, whats the difference between a 3+2 and a 5 ply blade? When do the add up to 5 and when are they supposed to be montioned as 3+2?

[alfie]

Could someone explain to a blade/ply noob, whats the difference between a 3+2 and a 5 ply blade? When do the add up to 5 and when are they supposed to be montioned as 3+2?

3 wood 2 carbon=5ply,5w2c=7ply

[pingpongrob]

the photos are off the champion kr website.

if you zoom in, you cna see the plies, sorta
Also, the 5+2 version is marked on the blade "Offensive -" while the 3+2 version is marked "Offensive"

My 3 + 2 Versions are marked Off- "Amati offensive -"

[speedplay]

Could someone explain to a blade/ply noob, whats the difference between a 3+2 and a 5 ply blade? When do the add up to 5 and when are they supposed to be montioned as 3+2?

3 wood 2 carbon=5ply,5w2c=7ply

What? I know the math that 3+2 equals 5 and 5+2 equals 7, but I sometimes see people calling a blade for 7 ply while other blades are being mentioned as 5+2. Why is that? Is it perhaps so that a blade being mentioned as 7 ply is all wood, while a 5+2 is 5 wood and 2 carbon?

[Silver]

Mfgs usually call non-wood layers "+X" layer by convention.

[Skippy]

Ok, now I'm claiming even more shennanigans!

See marked.

The colour change between the surface and before the carbon doesn;'t look like one continuous layer to me

Incidentally, if that is indeed a layer, the proportions look identical to my WSC. Would have measure it to compare dimensions.

I had a pretty good chuckle at this.  Thank you for that Silver.  I needed some laughter.  It looks like John Madden has taken an interest in table tennis.

[alfie]

Mfgs usually call non-wood layers "+X" layer by convention.

    I guess x carbon is a carbon used in the fast Xiom blades what difference it is to normal carbon I don't know but they have 3-4 different carbons they use in making blades

[Silver]

"X-Carbon" seems identical to the carbon weave mesh bty calls "Tamca 5000" to me...

[alfie]

Xiom have 3 carbon's the xcarbon,carbon and fleece I guess the x carbon is 40% denser but the two carbons look identicle and yes same as Tamca5000.
       I am thinking the Amati has the fleece but not sure

[pingpongrob]

I have to apologize to Silver. He is correct once again. The Xiom amati off- is a 5 + 2 blade. ie 5 wood plus 2 carbon, under the magnifying glass it is as clear as day.

After having a hit with it, I can say that Xiom have rated this blade correctly, it is an OFF-. It has very good feeling but is nicer with softer sponge rubbers like the Impuls speed.