Butterfly Rubber Comparison Chart

[pingpongrob]

[speedplay]

Wt...?

What's up with this chart???

I'm not a big BTY user, in fact, I have probably only tried 3-4 of their rubbers, but I would be very surprised if this chart proved to be correct since it has slow rubbers such as Sriver ( I know, perhaps not slow, but certainly not fast!) rated in the same speed region as all of their short pips. Surely they have a short pip rubber that is a lot faster then Sriver? I was lead to believe that SP rubbers most of the time where faster then most inverted, al though this only is true for flat hits, obviously, as this is what they are made for.

[supachop]

Its taken straight from the Butterfly catalog.  So it must be right

[pingpongrob]

Wt...?

What's up with this chart???

I'm not a big BTY user, in fact, I have probably only tried 3-4 of their rubbers, but I would be very surprised if this chart proved to be correct since it has slow rubbers such as Sriver ( I know, perhaps not slow, but certainly not fast!) rated in the same speed region as all of their short pips. Surely they have a short pip rubber that is a lot faster then Sriver? I was lead to believe that SP rubbers most of the time where faster then most inverted, al though this only is true for flat hits, obviously, as this is what they are made for.

Speedplay, from what I understand the speed of a rubber does not increase because the pips are facing out. Both Short pips and inverted can both be the same speed - its just that the Short Pip will react to spin less than what the inverted will. I've seen some pretty fast Sriver hitters in my time.

[speedplay]

I've unlocked the topic to be able to make a reply, besides, I thought we wanted the forum to become more active? If we post and then lock the posts, then I doubt the activity will raise. It is nice to have this chart listed in the top section were it can be locked, but surely we should be allowed to discuss it here???

Supachop, I've learnt not to trust manufacturers.

Rob, yeah, I kind of know that the pips don't give any speed simple because they are turned out, so please stop answering my posts like I'm some kind of equipment noob, will you?

The thing is, if you read up on short pips, you will find that a lot of them are really blazing fast, that is why I'm so surprised that the fastest short pip from Bty is in the same range as Sriver, which according to me isn't a very fast rubber. Sure, it can be used to hit fast shots with, but so can Globe 999 with 1.0 sponge, that don't make the rubber fast, in my opinion.

I remember back in the days when Couga was my main choice, rated as THE fastest rubber in the world. I then tried 802-? (can't remember if if was 1 or 40) which is a short pip, not rated as a speed demon, but when used for flat hitting, the 802 was every bit as fast as the Couga. BUT! When used to loop with (yes, it can be done with most short pips) the speed of the Couga was a lot faster then the speed of the 802.

[pingpongrob]

I've unlocked the topic to be able to make a reply, besides, I thought we wanted the forum to become more active? If we post and then lock the posts, then I doubt the activity will raise. It is nice to have this chart listed in the top section were it can be locked, but surely we should be allowed to discuss it here???

Supachop, I've learnt not to trust manufacturers.

Rob, yeah, I kind of know that the pips don't give any speed simple because they are turned out, so please stop answering my posts like I'm some kind of equipment noob, will you?

The thing is, if you read up on short pips, you will find that a lot of them are really blazing fast, that is why I'm so surprised that the fastest short pip from Bty is in the same range as Sriver, which according to me isn't a very fast rubber. Sure, it can be used to hit fast shots with, but so can Globe 999 with 1.0 sponge, that don't make the rubber fast, in my opinion.

I remember back in the days when Couga was my main choice, rated as THE fastest rubber in the world. I then tried 802-? (can't remember if if was 1 or 40) which is a short pip, not rated as a speed demon, but when used for flat hitting, the 802 was every bit as fast as the Couga. BUT! When used to loop with (yes, it can be done with most short pips) the speed of the Couga was a lot faster then the speed of the 802.

Speedplay I know your no Noooob. but others that read your replies might have got the wrong impression, thats why it was answered in such a way.

And thank you for unlocking it, I was only meant to lock the same topic in the "How To Documents" section.

Now looping with Short Pips, -  :D. The Action might be the same, but their will only be a fraction of the spin on the ball compared to Inverted (Smooth). In fact Supachop loops with long pips on a regular basis.
Anyway - I call them drives - not loops.

Now the 802-40 is made with a Variety of Sponges, the one that Affordable TT Stock has the soft 35 degree 729 sponge. Thats all that Zeropong allows us to have, unless of course we make one with a custom sponge.

I have had a hit with BTY Flarestorm, and although its fast, I wouldn't say faster than any of the current Tensors.

I think they are classified as Blazingly fast because players can somewhat disregard some spin, and really go for it.

[gekogark1212]

adding my 2 cents here, I never thought the Butterfly SP's to be that fast anyway. I'd say that chart is fairly accurate. For example, the DHS 652 I have is much faster than Butterfly's Speedy PO.

[RebornTTEvnglist]

An interesting chart nonetheless. I wish all manufacturers had one!

[Wiz]

An interesting chart nonetheless. I wish all manufacturers had one!

Since I pretty much OWN all of the newer stuff since their release here's my 2 bob on the smooth rubbers as according to the butterfly chart but i'll only be going down to 10 for speed and spin, also I will try and rate them as according to the butterfly chart: -

Speed 14: T64
Speed 13: T25
Speed 12: T05, Bryce Speed, Sriver G3
Speed 11: Bryce Speed FX
Speed 10: Sriver G3 FX

Spin 14: T05
Spin 13: T25, Bryce Speed
Spin 12: Sriver G3
Spin 11:
Spin 10: T64
NO SPIN!!!!!: Bryce Speed FX, Sriver G3 FX

Feel free to ask any questions :)