Author Topic: Gambler outlaw? (Read 6121 times)

scaredy bat · « **Reply #30 on:** May 17, 2009, 03:32:38 PM »

PingPongRob, how did you compare the gambler outlaw 2.2 to the roxon450 1.8. Same spin, speed, control?

pingpongrob · « **Reply #31 on:** May 17, 2009, 10:07:27 PM »

It's hard to compare both as they are very differant. Roxon 450 has a 30 degree sponge, Outlaw has a 40 degree sponge. Roxon 450 has a soft topsheet, Outlaw has a hard topsheet. Looking back at the video's I would say I was more consistent with my loops with the Outlaw, but I had less feeling, the Outlaw probably blocked better, but the Roxon 450 1.8mm has more spin, and more speed. And since I like playing close to the table I believe that the Roxon suits me better. Might give the outlaw another go, since my knees feeling so much better.

speedplay · « **Reply #32 on:** May 18, 2009, 12:09:09 AM »

Quote from: pingpongrob on May 17, 2009, 10:07:27 PM

It's hard to compare both as they are very differant. Roxon 450 has a 30 degree sponge, Outlaw has a 40 degree sponge. Roxon 450 has a soft topsheet, Outlaw has a hard topsheet. Looking back at the video's I would say I was more consistent with my loops with the Outlaw, but I had less feeling, the Outlaw probably blocked better, but the Roxon 450 1.8mm has more spin, and more speed. And since I like playing close to the table I believe that the Roxon suits me better. Might give the outlaw another go, since my knees feeling so much better.

Sorry to keep on bugging you to compare it to different stuff, but how would it compare to Platin? Platin is also fairly hard and the Outlaw might be a cheaper option.

I have read that there is very little grip on the top sheet of the Outlaw, while it still have nice spin, but it gets me a little worried on how the Outlaw works on serve and in the short game where I feel the need for grip on the top sheet.

RebornTTEvnglist · « **Reply #33 on:** May 18, 2009, 03:38:59 PM »

About to put Outlaw onto my Joola R1 and try it out with Bomb Talent on the other side. I am absolutely loving my Roxon 450 on Gergely Classic, so I am expecting a very different feel as per Rob's last post. I'm hoping I will like it with all the hype, even if it is different.

JKC · « **Reply #34 on:** May 19, 2009, 07:13:02 AM »

Went out last night to see how much noise we could make with our rubbers. I'm using Outlaw and Iqbal's using Tenergy (red 05, black 64). I think he wins (on the sound), but it's not as far apart as you might think.


Tenergy Vs Outlaw

As far as I'm concerned, Outlaw is the cheap answer to the speed glue ban.

RebornTTEvnglist · « **Reply #35 on:** May 19, 2009, 02:33:49 PM »

Nice vid JKC. I take it that is not Palio on your BH, so did you have Outlaw on both sides?

I only noticed the Tenergy seemed to have slightly more "crack" to it when your opponent was closer to the cam. Noisewise, very close. Speedwise, looked similar. How did you judge spin?

I'll be having a go with my Outlaw tonight at pre-match practice. It'll be my first hit with it. I have it on the Joola R1.

I love the way this version of the forum allows you to go full screen from within the forum controls.

JKC · « **Reply #36 on:** May 19, 2009, 05:53:33 PM »

I have outlaw on both sides on this (my main) bat. I did get a vid recently of me playing with the Palio, but didn't think too many people would be interested in seeing it.

scaredy bat · « **Reply #37 on:** May 19, 2009, 11:08:44 PM »

mmmmm Thats quick hitting table tennis. Tenergy Vs Outlaw clip very good to watch.

JKC · « **Reply #38 on:** May 20, 2009, 07:02:57 AM »

Stay tuned, the big match JKC v Wiggy (just a friendly though) coming next week (probably Thursday).

RebornTTEvnglist · « **Reply #39 on:** May 20, 2009, 04:02:39 PM »

My money would be on Wiggy in a tight match.

JKC · « **Reply #40 on:** May 20, 2009, 05:21:34 PM »

Mine too.

speedplay · « **Reply #41 on:** June 28, 2009, 03:33:03 AM »

How did the Wiggy match go?

Also, I noticed Rob saying that the Outlaw rubber was 40 degree, now using the same scale, what would be the numbers for Platin? I've found that I like hard sponge and I'm a bit frightened that the Outlaw will be too soft for my likening.

Also, how is the grip on it? I've read that it has little grip, but yet it is spinny. now, this could be true for the power shots, but what about spin in the short game where the sponge don't get to work?

As you might know, I have two sheets of it to try, but currently the venue is closed, so I have no where to play :'(

JKC · « **Reply #42 on:** June 28, 2009, 04:06:40 AM »

You mean the matches we had in our knock last month? You must have read about it and seen the vid somewhere by now.

If it had been a best of 5, I would have won as I ended up something like 5-1 up in games early in proceedings. Wiggy pulled it back though and by the end, it was something like 10-7 to wiggy I would say. I don't think either of us will take that much notice of this result next time we play though as things can be very different when it is a proper match.

I find Outlaw to be plenty spinny enough on the short stuff and there seems plenty of grip to me.

speedplay · « **Reply #43 on:** June 28, 2009, 09:04:10 AM »

My bad, off course I've enjoyed the video of you guys, I simple forgot about it and thought that you actually had gone head to head in a competition battle >:D

pingpongrob · « **Reply #44 on:** June 29, 2009, 12:06:57 AM »

Quote from: speedplay on June 28, 2009, 03:33:03 AM

Also, I noticed Rob saying that the Outlaw rubber was 40 degree, now using the same scale, what would be the numbers for Platin? I've found that I like hard sponge and I'm a bit frightened that the Outlaw will be too soft for my likening.

Speedplay, the Donic Platin is 33 degree's so the Gampler Outlaw is conciderably harder. (Check these here http://www.affordablett.com.au/smf/index.php/topic,411.0.html. One of top junioirs down here recently switched to Gambler Outlaw and reckons he is playing the best ever. Previously he was using BTY Bryce speed & Roxon. Got me beat ???. Maybe I need to revisit this rubber again on another blade.

speedplay · « **Reply #45 on:** June 29, 2009, 12:27:19 AM »

Quote from: pingpongrob on June 29, 2009, 12:06:57 AM

Quote from: speedplay on June 28, 2009, 03:33:03 AM
Also, I noticed Rob saying that the Outlaw rubber was 40 degree, now using the same scale, what would be the numbers for Platin? I've found that I like hard sponge and I'm a bit frightened that the Outlaw will be too soft for my likening.
Speedplay, the Donic Platin is 33 degree's so the Gampler Outlaw is conciderably harder. (Check these here http://www.affordablett.com.au/smf/index.php/topic,411.0.html. One of top junioirs down here recently switched to Gambler Outlaw and reckons he is playing the best ever. Previously he was using BTY Bryce speed & Roxon. Got me beat ???. Maybe I need to revisit this rubber again on another blade.

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Outlaw is harder then Platin??? I really look forward to test this rubber as I've read that it is medium soft sponge, (from a retailers info) and then I've read people who says it has great grip while other says it lacks grip, some claims it is way faster then the Tenergy but less spinny, other says it is slower then all the Tenergy's... So this rubber have got me confused, but I'll report back once I have played with it.

Peter C · « **Reply #46 on:** June 29, 2009, 04:21:13 AM »

Rob

What blade is the top junior using outlaw on?

pingpongrob · « **Reply #47 on:** June 29, 2009, 09:42:37 AM »

Quote from: Peter C on June 29, 2009, 04:21:13 AM

Rob

What blade is the top junior using outlaw on?

I believe its a smashed up JM Saive kinetic OFF.

speedplay · « **Reply #48 on:** July 22, 2009, 06:29:41 PM »

Finally, I've tried this rubber and can now share my divine knowledge about it

Well, I was going to save it until I could test it properly in the big venue, but I got to tempted so I glued it on the blade today and gave it a go in the tight little venue I play in now with the basement players. Obviously, this effect my view on this, so I'll wait to give my full review on it, but a couple of things I noticed, compared to Donic Platin:

Outlaw was a lot harder to control in the short game, felt like a lack of touch game with it. A lot faster then Platin in this area.

Speed wise, I would rate i below Platin when it comes to top speed, but not as much as I expected. This could be due to the small venue, as I couldn't make a full swing to hit and I feel that Platin act's very linear and accelerate with the power I put in to it, while Outlaw felt like it had gears and I was using the top gear with it.

Spin, in the short game, pretty similar to Platin, but the Platin I use to compare with was more then 4 months old, so I suspect that the Platin actually spins it up more the the Outlaw, when both are new.

As for spin from med distance, I can't judge as the place was to small, but from the few tries I had, it felt like Outlaw bottomed out sooner then the Platin, which reduced the spin I was able to create with it.

One strange thing I noticed was that when looping, Outlaw seemed to have a higher arc then Platin, but when flat hitting, it seemed lower. Confusing, if it's not due to my technique, I don't know how this can be.

First verdict is, if money wasn't an issue, I would head right back to Platin, but, money is an issue and Outlaw actually performed a little better then I expected, so it deserves to be tested in real conditions before I decide to use it or not.

sunflex · « **Reply #49 on:** July 22, 2009, 10:59:42 PM »

IMHO Outlaw has excellent control for the shortgame, much better than the bouncy german tensor rubbers like Platin. Outlaw behaves like a Japanese rubber.

pingpongrob · « **Reply #50 on:** July 25, 2009, 11:22:33 AM »

Quote from: sunflex on July 22, 2009, 10:59:42 PM

IMHO Outlaw has excellent control for the shortgame, much better than the bouncy german tensor rubbers like Platin. Outlaw behaves like a Japanese rubber.

here is a reply I got from a friend & customer:

"Hi Rob, I had my first hit with "Outlaw", well it has good control and good all around game close to the table, and up to 1 meter away, but every centimeter further it feels like it does not have enough power. And if I try to hit a bit harder - then deviation of shots was very evident (but not with "Roxon" or "Platin". To make it more real I have taken off one sheet and put on my "plasma women" (which is in much better shape than 430, that you saw).
"plasma women" - was all around winner (compare to the "Outlaw" on 2020 blade) for me : better spin, better power and better feeling from 1 meter (and more) away.

Regards.

XXXX"

RebornTTEvnglist · « **Reply #51 on:** July 25, 2009, 01:55:48 PM »

Yeah I think I would agree with what Mr. xxxx said. While I wouldn't say Outlaw was powerless well away from the table (at least not on my R1), I think Roxon packs more punch from further back. My normal game doesn't go back that much so it doesn't affect me too much though, so Outlaw is still a great rubber IMHO.

speedplay · « **Reply #52 on:** July 26, 2009, 06:18:33 AM »

Quote from: sunflex on July 22, 2009, 10:59:42 PM

IMHO Outlaw has excellent control for the shortgame, much better than the bouncy german tensor rubbers like Platin. Outlaw behaves like a Japanese rubber.

Guess we expect different things from our rubbers in the short game then, as I feel that Platin gives me great control in the short game, I don't experience it as bouncy at all, while the Outlaw feels like it lacks some of the lower gears. I'm sure that I will be able to get used to it, but I wasn't able to simple glue it on and play as the differences between them is to big.

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