Author Topic: Gambler outlaw? (Read 6121 times)

speedplay · « **on:** April 24, 2009, 11:04:58 AM »

Rob, I've been reading some positive stuff on this rubber and was wondering what your thoughts are about it. Seeing the price, I'm tempted to try one out, but I somehow suspect that you get what you pay for. Currently extremely pleased with my Donic Platin, but if this could work as a replacement, I wouldn't complain.

http://www.affordablett.com.au/shop/product_info.php?currency=SEK&cPath=2_56&products_id=903&osCsid=a5b51b0ae979d45d7c77131febb4308a

pingpongrob · « **Reply #1 on:** April 24, 2009, 01:08:49 PM »

OK - you twisted my arm ;D, since my bat was stolen - I will give it a try on Monday night.

speedplay · « **Reply #2 on:** April 24, 2009, 10:02:38 PM »

If you try it and don't like it, you can always send it my way as I'm more then willing to give it a go ;D

The worst part about ordering from you guys from down under is the shipping time and cost, that is why it's a problem with new rubbers. If I want to try one, I need to order one, but if it turns out I like it, I would have liked to order more, but then have to wait! I don't like waiting and I'm not bold enough to order 4-5 sheets at once, cause what if I don't like it???

Or, perhaps this will be the price in the comp you wish to start? Make it an easy one so I can have a shot at it

pingpongrob · « **Reply #3 on:** April 27, 2009, 05:41:49 PM »

Quote from: speedplay on April 24, 2009, 10:02:38 PM

The worst part about ordering from you guys from down under is the shipping time and cost

Come on mate, my goods have always shipped in a speedie amount of time. ;D

JKC · « **Reply #4 on:** April 27, 2009, 08:18:30 PM »

A friend gave me a sheet of this to try yesterday and having stuck it on I can say that this certainly is the quickest chinese rubber I have tried (based on a few bounces) and it would seem that it has the spin to help tame the speed too. I will get a proper knock with it tomorrow and let you know more.

pingpongrob · « **Reply #5 on:** April 27, 2009, 11:27:47 PM »

Quote from: Juan King Carlos on April 27, 2009, 08:18:30 PM

A friend gave me a sheet of this to try yesterday and having stuck it on I can say that this certainly is the quickest chinese rubber I have tried (based on a few bounces) and it would seem that it has the spin to help tame the speed too. I will get a proper knock with it tomorrow and let you know more.

JKC is 100% correct, its for sure the fastest Chinese rubber I have used. Its actually better at Attacking than in Passive play.
The Topsheet is of a high quality - The Sponge was on the Average side. It probably felt like a speedglued Hard sponged rubber. I'm sure that if the ESN factory stopped producing rubbers - I could adjust to it - Although a softer sponge would be nicer.

As its been only 3 weeks since I had the Knee reconstruction - I was not game enough to play games. But its thumbs up for this rubber.

Soon I will upload some video of my hitting with it.

Peter C · « **Reply #6 on:** April 28, 2009, 07:17:17 PM »

Lightweight and tuned, is this possibly magnum or six shooter, with an tuned sponge?

JKC · « **Reply #7 on:** April 28, 2009, 08:26:47 PM »

Quote from: pingpongrob on April 27, 2009, 11:27:47 PM

Soon I will upload some video of my hitting with it.

No doubt I will do the same.

I haven't tried any other Gambler rubbers except a very brief hit with Aces Peter C, so don't know about this.

Peter C · « **Reply #8 on:** April 28, 2009, 09:23:48 PM »

What did you think of Aces?

I liked it on wooden blades, like the LKT Instinct as a set up for beginners at coaching.

It's performance on the Black Diamond, which is balsa and texilium was good and it works a treat on old Dunlop Barna Super for a close to the table game.

JKC · « **Reply #9 on:** April 28, 2009, 10:17:50 PM »

I made a bat up with it for a beginner at the club on a a Galaxy MC-(?) blade (the one with the dark coloured handle - his choice, not mine). The quality looked good, it seemed like quite a nice rubber. Slight tack, reasonable speed for Chinese, plenty of spin available. I literally did a couple of serves, loops and drives to show what the bat is capable of so didn't have time to form that many opinions about it really.

speedplay · « **Reply #10 on:** April 29, 2009, 05:50:45 AM »

Fastest Chinese rubber don't impress me, as 99.9% of them are tacky and at its best, medium speed. I do hope this Outlaw rubber isn't tacky, right?

How does it compare to fast European/Jap rubbers?

JKC · « **Reply #11 on:** April 29, 2009, 10:00:29 AM »

Ok, I have now had a prolonged hit with it (a match actually) and I have found the rubber I will be using for the foreseeable future. Much more power from mid-distance than I am used to and this will allow me to play an even more controlled game away from the table. Spin on loops away from the table was as good as anything else I have had and blocking close to the table was nice too. The question I can't answer is whether it behaves like other SG effect rubbers as I really haven't had that much experience with them. It was comparable in speed to a friends Plasma (quite an old sheet). There didn't seem to be that much click, but the speed was there as far as I am concerned.

pingpongrob · « **Reply #12 on:** April 29, 2009, 03:18:24 PM »

Quote from: speedplay on April 29, 2009, 05:50:45 AM

Fastest Chinese rubber don't impress me, as 99.9% of them are tacky and at its best, medium speed. I do hope this Outlaw rubber isn't tacky, right?

How does it compare to fast European/Jap rubbers?

Just look at the short video I post - right at the end.

http://www.affordablett.com.au/smf/index.php?topic=414.0

JKC · « **Reply #13 on:** April 29, 2009, 05:13:32 PM »

It isn't tacky by the way Speedplay.

speedplay · « **Reply #14 on:** April 30, 2009, 05:45:50 AM »

Looks like I will be forced to include the Outlaw with my next order then as it sounds interesting enough.

JKC · « **Reply #15 on:** April 30, 2009, 07:20:39 AM »

I ordered myself another couple of sheets last night straight away after getting home from my match, I was so impressed with the rubber. I wanted to make sure I got my order in before I told the world how good it was and it all sold out instantaneously across the globe. I just hope the red is as good as the black although I don't know if I will use it on the FH side yet or if I will stick with Jupiter or Violent.

Der Echte · « **Reply #16 on:** April 30, 2009, 02:19:47 PM »

Long live the King.

Peter C · « **Reply #17 on:** April 30, 2009, 04:15:54 PM »

Is Outlaw lighter in weight than Jupiter? and how much quicker is it than Jupiter?

My sheets of Jupiter on the Clipper Wood weigh 50 grams each, hence the question about weight.

JKC · « **Reply #18 on:** April 30, 2009, 05:31:59 PM »

The sheet I have looks to be about 2mm (it was given to me 2nd hand so not too sure). The weight is quite a bit less than my 2.2mm Jupiter, probably nearer to a soft sponged IQUL or something like that. Speed wise, dropping the ball from a foot or so onto the bat, the Outlaw bounces about twice as high as the Jupiter and bounces 15-20 times compared to 4-5 times on the jupiter. It is maybe 25% quicker when hitting harder away from the table with more blade involvement.

speedplay · « **Reply #19 on:** May 01, 2009, 08:12:00 AM »

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Rob don't get cleaned out on them before I can afford to buy and try them :D

pingpongrob · « **Reply #20 on:** May 01, 2009, 01:30:47 PM »

Quote from: Juan King Carlos on April 30, 2009, 05:31:59 PM

The sheet I have looks to be about 2mm (it was given to me 2nd hand so not too sure). The weight is quite a bit less than my 2.2mm Jupiter, probably nearer to a soft sponged IQUL or something like that. Speed wise, dropping the ball from a foot or so onto the bat, the Outlaw bounces about twice as high as the Jupiter and bounces 15-20 times compared to 4-5 times on the jupiter. It is maybe 25% quicker when hitting harder away from the table with more blade involvement.

Gambler outlaw is 2.15mm, and yes it is the quickest chinese rubber i've tried. Have a look at the recent 2 video I posted - The red side is Gambler Outlaw. My wife thought I was more consistent with it.


pingpongrob - Movie_6.flv

Der Echte · « **Reply #21 on:** May 03, 2009, 01:30:19 PM »

U shur R making a lot of nice shots with it and Supachop had some nice returns of your power shots.

Wiz · « **Reply #22 on:** May 04, 2009, 10:33:01 PM »

Rob - I think the reason why you can AND WILL get more control out of the harder sponge rubbers is due to your strong technique and great racket head speed through your shots.

scaredy bat · « **Reply #23 on:** May 07, 2009, 12:26:04 AM »

Im thinking of trying the Gambler outlaw. Have a Dawei Wavestone(2) to try it on. Would it be fast and how about brush looping?

Der Echte · « **Reply #24 on:** May 07, 2009, 02:34:53 AM »

I used a Wavestone some and can tell you that you will lack zero speed on your drives with a wavestone/Gambler combo. Brush looping doesn't appear to be the strongest point of Gambler outlaw. The wavestone/Outlaw setup ought to knock your socks off at close to mid distace powerlooping - shapes up to have tensor-like spin at medium and top end.

Speedplay owns 3, yes 3, wavestones and surely will not miss chiming in and JKC/Rob have and will continue to relate their experiences.

speedplay · « **Reply #25 on:** May 07, 2009, 07:19:28 AM »

Scaredy bat,

I hope you treasure your Wavestones like you should, this is truly the best blade ever made by man! ;D

Der_Echte is right, I have 3 of them, two with the hollow handle and one with the solid handle. Well, one that was delivered with the solid handle but I decided I liked the hollow handle better so I made sure to make a big hole in the handle my self.

Now, which version do you have?

As for the Outlaw, I have read several reviews on it and every one claims it is a true class rubber, so I'm pretty eager to try this out my self. If it is anything close to what people claim, you should get all the power you want from your game with this and the Wavestone.

But, if brush looping is your game, you won't get that much speed from your blade and when it comes to brush looping, tacky rubbers do this best.

JKC · « **Reply #26 on:** May 07, 2009, 08:02:16 AM »

I just got my new 2 new sheets and I wasn't as impressed with the speed initially as I was with the older, used sheet I was given. I suspect they might take 2-3 knocks to settle down. I'll keep you informed as I use them more.

scaredy bat · « **Reply #27 on:** May 07, 2009, 06:05:05 PM »

I hvae the 2nd version of Wavestone. I have 729 Higher with Transcend Sponge 2.2 on it. Good spin, but slow. Very slow.

speedplay · « **Reply #28 on:** May 16, 2009, 11:52:06 PM »

Quote from: Juan King Carlos on May 07, 2009, 08:02:16 AM

I just got my new 2 new sheets and I wasn't as impressed with the speed initially as I was with the older, used sheet I was given. I suspect they might take 2-3 knocks to settle down. I'll keep you informed as I use them more.

Well? Have you used them more?

Seeing their very affordable price, they should be a given buy for each and everyone of us searching for speed glue replacements, but that's just it, they seem so cheap so one (read me/I) start to think that there got to be something wrong with them. If they act like a hard sponge rubber with glue, have good speed and spin, then durability isn't such a big issue since I can use several of these for the same price I pay for one sheet of Platin.

So, please keep me updated on this rubber!

JKC · « **Reply #29 on:** May 17, 2009, 05:51:08 AM »

It's a bit slack of me to leave it so long. I do so much talking about these rubbers, that I really don't know where I have said what anymore.
They are really playing great now after a couple more knocks and are just like the other sheets. I am trying to discover a blocking game with it because this rubber really excels at this shot. I'll say more later, I am being pestered by Fred to play chess.

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Author Topic: Gambler outlaw? (Read 6121 times)