Author Topic: Hurricane King Blade (Read 2601 times)

RebornTTEvnglist · « **on:** February 26, 2008, 02:18:37 AM »

Besides being way too expensive, what do people think of this blade? Has anyone used it? I keep finding it advertised in some of the TT places, but all they ever say is only 30 blades made per month because of high QC. From what I can tell it isn't worth its high price, so why do they charge so much for it? Do they sell many? Is there a more expensive blade than it? What wood is in it? I've been intrigued by this blade for some time because its so expensive, but there doesn't seem to be much info around on it, which I assume means they don't sell many. In forums all I ever see is people talking about how its not worth the price (with the exception of one guy who gave a very brief comparison to the Accoustic), but you never hear much about how it plays, feels, is balanced, etc. So maybe its a blade with mystical powers LOL. :lol:

I'd be interested to find out what people know, or failing that what they think LOL.

ckhugo · « **Reply #1 on:** February 26, 2008, 02:43:06 PM »

Hi Reborn,

The H King blade is actually identical to the standard HWL from DHS.

The same wood set up = Koto + Spruce + Ayous

The only differences are:
1. The H King's outer layer has a gray dined koto
2. The H King is actually thinner (at abt 5.5 - 5.8) and slightly lighter @ 85g+_

OH ya, and the obvious difference - the price tag ....

From what I have heard, the H King plays slightly firmer and slightly easier to play than the standard HWL (not sure if this is bcoz of the price tag, and whoever paid for it would like to think so)

RebornTTEvnglist · « **Reply #2 on:** February 26, 2008, 02:50:12 PM »

Wow, so the timber isn't all that special, although I believe koto is nice. But spruce and ayous are fairly standard. Perhaps its the way they treat it that's special. Something has to give it the power to be Off++ though, with no carbon in sight. It's just got me stumped how they keep the price up, if no-one thinks its worth it. Perhaps they're trying to cover the costs of LiQin's designer fees! Or maybe its just the old crank up the price and and people will pay it because its special (although from what I see not many are falling for it). Thanks for your input Hugo.

Silver · « **Reply #3 on:** February 26, 2008, 08:12:33 PM »

I'm sure it's a nice blade, but it's really just a marketing exercise, cashing in on WLQ's name.

By the way, he lost to some guy ranked 74 at the wtttc.

ckhugo · « **Reply #4 on:** February 26, 2008, 10:35:38 PM »

hahaha Reborn,

Its rated OFF++ bcoz the manufacturer is allowed to rate a blade whatever they like. And they are not comparing to carbon or any other composite blades...

Mind you that DHS did not have any composite blades back then if you ever noticed, and while such boom were around composite blades, why didn't they release one until now? The answer is actually quite simple, they didnt have the necessary resource to produce a decent composite blade,, and its not surprising since most of their resources would have gone into making all wood blades so that both WLQ and Wang Hao would switch to DHS and then they can make money from that, moreover, they would have being tight up with the production of Hurricane rubbers as well...

Hence, its really comparing apple to oranges if you think Hurricane King is at the same speed as BTY Schlagar.

As for the price tag,, well everything thats Tiger wood from Nike just cost that much more than any other stuff, but,,, since everyone wanna to be Tiger,,, ppl pay for it,,, so, the same principle applies here with H King.

RebornTTEvnglist · « **Reply #5 on:** February 27, 2008, 01:20:39 AM »

Sounds like it will disappear from the market in the not-too-distant future then. To be replaced by the $300 Hurricane King Carbon! :lol:

Wiz · « **Reply #6 on:** February 27, 2008, 09:12:49 AM »

I ALMOST got one over Xmas - Hugo will attest to that hahhaha... I ended up with the Nittaku WLQ (as you can see in my sig).

I really enjoy using that blade but I am finding it has a little too much flex for me :p

But ultimately - its based on the Stiga Offensive Classic. I think most blades from Stiga made in the range of the Off Classic (Optimum Plus, Off CR, Off WRB etc etc) would have very similar playing qualities of the H-King

I might still get one though heh heh heh...

RebornTTEvnglist · « **Reply #7 on:** February 27, 2008, 01:30:29 PM »

So if it was $50 instead of $200 would it be a blade you'd buy (sounds like Wiz would). or would it still be just another blade?

Wiz · « **Reply #8 on:** February 27, 2008, 08:23:47 PM »

I know this is probably going to sound a little weird - but to me, even $200 for a blade is not that expensive.

Try being an equipment junkie with Golf - then come back to me and try telling me $200 for a blade is expensive....

But if it was a $50 blade, Reb I would've already got one.

RebornTTEvnglist · « **Reply #9 on:** February 28, 2008, 12:12:39 AM »

Wiz, what are you talking about? Does 3 full sets of clubs, plus a mix of other clubs as well not qualify me as a Golf EJ? :lol:

I have a set of McGregor Muirfields, a set of King Cobra Greg Norman's and a set of Callaways. They all have 10" bags and I have 2 electric buggies as well as the normal trolley. Then I have a couple of smaller carry bags which includes a ping bag with a built in stand. SOmething tells me we are discussing this in the wrong thread, but Hugo or Speedplay can move it to the right one if they want.

Now Wiz, tell me what you have!

Wiz · « **Reply #10 on:** February 28, 2008, 10:01:08 AM »

Set 1 - Callaway GBBII+, Mizuno MP001 3 and 5wd, Nike Pro Combo Tour, Mizuno Black Ox 56w and 60w, Oddyssey 2 Ball

Set 2 - Nike Driver (original), Callaway WB 3wd, Taylormade 200 5wd, Callaway 4+ Heavenwood, Callaway Big Berta 04 (can't remember what wedges in this set), Taylormade Fontana CB7

Set 3 - TM R430, Wilson Deep Red 3 and 5 wd, Wilson Deep Red Irons (and then I really can't remember rest of whats in the bag lol)

Anyway - Hugo being the ultimate equipment junkie once dared to walk onto the course with 16 clubs in his bag lol.

But back to the topic, I think the H King would certainly be a good blade for any player who prefers to have a relatively stiff all wood blade

ckhugo · « **Reply #11 on:** February 28, 2008, 10:03:55 AM »

Wiz has a set of Callaway Big Bertha, Big Bertha Wood, Mizuno Fairwood and Taylor made bag, (no biggies as he likes to think he is tough and prefers to carry and walk.. hahaha).

He has also got a set of Nike Pro Tour (forged) and is in the progress of getting the Sumo with a Nike bag,,

And another set of Callaway X14

He has got my Odyssey tow ball steel centre shafted putter. & a Taylor made Mozza as backup.

He plays Nike one, and precept u-tri distance

Adidas golf shoes

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Me has 1 set of Mizuno MX900 (forged) custom DG shafts, Cleveland HiBore custom UST shaft, Custom 3 & 5 woods, Yes Tracy 2 putter. Precept U-tri distance & ladies.

Adidas Tour 360 Golf shoes

& another sets of custom big bertha copy irons and Nike Slingshot copy irons with 3 other drivers and 4 other woods I think + another 5 or 6 putters.

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Plus, Wiz dressed in full set of Nike,,, while I have adidas top and whatever pant I can find that fits

ckhugo · « **Reply #12 on:** February 28, 2008, 10:08:54 AM »

Oh ya, and the H King.

If you like the look of it, and like all wood blade and likes WLQ or wanna be WLQ, then its a good blade to get.

BUT

You need to have a powerful enough forehand like WLQ's to really benefit in using that blade.

As a lit information for you all, WLQ lifts the heaviest weight, rank 2nd in Muscle speed/power ratio and runs the fastest in short sprint in the whole Chinese team for the last ... how many yrs...

I think in China, WLQ's nickname is actually: Muscle Wang...

RebornTTEvnglist · « **Reply #13 on:** February 28, 2008, 10:29:13 AM »

Yep, I give it ya. You guys are Golf EJ's as well. I don't play near as much golf these days as I should/would like to.

That info an Wang is interesting Hugo. I had no idea he was so strong.

I have a powerful forehand, but only when I get to use it. I don't think there is any setup I've used where many people can return my smash unless I've backed off it a bit. Now that doesn't mean someone in an upper class couldn't. Just the players around my level.

The hurricane is out of my price level for now, but the EJ in me is keen.

Silver · « **Reply #14 on:** February 28, 2008, 10:48:28 AM »

I've been interested in this on and off, however I have an awful feeling that i'm not actually going to like the blade

There's a photo floating around of WLQ's muscles.

Wiz · « **Reply #15 on:** February 28, 2008, 11:18:44 AM »

Nah we don't play enough golf these days to justify being called Golf EJ's.

As i said - TT to me is considerably cheaper to muck around with, but that could also be hindering my progress as well.

Also the fact that Hugo keeps talking about how strong WLQ is and Silver mentioning that there a photos of WLQ's photos worries me.

Argh Fug it, I'll pick one up mid year as a collectors item once I get my phat bonus.

RebornTTEvnglist · « **Reply #16 on:** February 28, 2008, 11:25:13 AM »

Where do those phat bonuses come from and how can I get one? :lol: :lol:

ckhugo · « **Reply #17 on:** February 28, 2008, 11:26:53 AM »

Yo Wiz, hope this upsets you again

hahahaa

But ya, he is buffed, even though he looks sinny.

RebornTTEvnglist · « **Reply #18 on:** February 28, 2008, 11:28:50 AM »

Yep, thats buff for a chinese guy. They don't know how lucky they are to be naturally skinny.

Silver · « **Reply #19 on:** February 28, 2008, 11:47:17 AM »

WLQ's of northern chinese stock by the way. They tend to be taller, more muscular. Look at Chen Weixing - he's of Mongolian stock I think.

ckhugo · « **Reply #20 on:** February 28, 2008, 02:09:55 PM »

Ya, he is pretty big for a Chinese, 186CM is tall for TT as well.

The national team didnt want him at the start bcoz he was too tall.

RebornTTEvnglist · « **Reply #21 on:** March 03, 2008, 02:50:35 PM »

Well I now have myself a Hurricane King for better or for worse. You guys convinced me it was good enough to warrant spending $50 on. I'm not too flush with cash at the moment so even at this price I had to think about it. A guy I have dealt with before on ebay and that we had become friends through our communications had one that didn't sell in his auction, so he had offered it to me for $50 plus $10 postage. It seemed like an offer too good to refuse, but I knew he was making a loss on it to sell it to me for that much. He's moving so one less item for him to take with him I guess. So anyway, after our chat about it here, I took the plunge and bought it. So it arrived today and now I have to work out what rubber to pitch on it. I'm thinking red 729-40s and black MarkV AD I have. Any opinions?

RebornTTEvnglist · « **Reply #22 on:** March 05, 2008, 01:48:32 AM »

Well I ended up putting the 40s and and the MarkV on the blade and what a powerhouse it is. Too fast for me in the allround game in fact. Smashing with it was a dream and the smashes were fast with high bounce and very controllable. The short/slow game was a totally different story. It was hard to keep ball from rebounding/catapulting off the table. So I decided it is not the right rubbers to use, but the blade feels so good I have to keep experimenting with everything I have because I'm really hoping to find something that will make me happy to make it my main blade (considering the quality of it, I should do my best at this I think). So I am going to try the SP on it and see how that goes. I liked the red 40s, so I'm going to swap out the Mark V for 802-40 and give it a try. Failing that I might try LPs in OX to see if that will slow down the BH side enough for me to control.

ckhugo · « **Reply #23 on:** March 05, 2008, 09:08:45 AM »

Yo Reborn,

I know you live in Melb,, and now you got the H King,,, I think its time for us to arrange a time to play now,,, Wiz would be dieing to try that blade

(and maybe trying to figure out how u got that @ that price).

You know, you might actually wanna try WLQ's setup since you have Chinese rubber on FH anyway, on WIZ' Nittaku WLQ, he has got H2 on FH & Hammond Alpha on BH, the exact setup as WLQ..

Cheers,

RebornTTEvnglist · « **Reply #24 on:** March 05, 2008, 02:27:29 PM »

Hey Hugo,

Are you guys at Sunbury as well? I'm a bit restricted in my travel right now, but we could work something out I'm sure.

I have H3 rubber I may put on it to try, but I don't think I will be trying to match WLQ. Don't think my skills are quite up to his LOL. If they were I think I might have won a match or 3 last night :lol:

and handle the HK better than I did.

ckhugo · « **Reply #25 on:** March 06, 2008, 08:29:53 PM »

haha Reborn,

Wiz and I actually live in the city, we only go down to sunbury when visiting Rob.

So, in the moment, we just go down to MSAC and sometimes Coburg,

Anyway, hows the H King going after all these session, and how heavy do u glue? Coz I have never tried the 40s,,, so cant get a feel, but I have tried 729-2, focus 2, Cream & tackspeed from 729 and of coz the good old super FX

But ya, H3 would be good on that blade I say, too bad I can only play H2 on BH,,, that combo is just too heavy that I have to look for lighter rubber on FH. (currently tossing btw JO & Quattro)

RebornTTEvnglist · « **Reply #26 on:** March 06, 2008, 11:11:16 PM »

Hi Hugo,

I played the 802-40 on it last night with the 40s. I have never glued anything but normal glue so far. I don't need more speed here, I need less LOL. I had a brief practice with it last night and felt pretty nice. I intended to put it away for my matches, but the first match was against a guy I was pretty sure would blow me away anyway, so I figured WTH. Mistake or not, I don't quite know. I did get beaten by him, 4-0. And I had the only set I can ever remember getting done 11-0. However it felt so nice to play with. The short pips played nice pushes, but as the spin kept loading he handled it better than I did and I'd be the one putting it in the net generally. I did get quite a few smashes on though, and he only returned one (and this guy could return smashes - seen him do some awesome stuff). The speed off the 40s which I was playing FH with is totally awesome. I can't imagine how fast a fast glued rubber would do with it, but I don't know if I'd control it. Having said that, smashing was the only part of the game I felt I had good control over. Trouble is smashing opportunities weren't plentiful enough.

The second guy beat my teammate 4-0, and when I stepped up to play I went to my trusty LP 979 and 999T on T-2 blade. I figured the night was to be a whitewash, but I'd like to win a set if possible. Now to cut a long story short, I beat the guy 11-9, 11-7, 17-15 and 11-3. I played like a demon against him. I think I was pissed at the 11-0 and wanted revenge. Landed lots of smashes on him and while no where near as fast as the HK, still fast enough to pass him easily. Returned with a BH pips shot from the FH side one return off serve after the deuce in set 3 that went FH to FH really low and spin reversed and he had no chance of dealing with it. Went straight to ground beside the table. lol. That might have been set point actually.

Just to provide some context to this match. We were the Premiers last year in Div 4. These guys were Premiers in Div 3. We have been mandatorily moved up to div 3. These guys were allowed to stay in div 3 because they can't make the night for the higher grades. Is that a double standard? But then there is also 2 other teams in div 3 that are composed of div 1 and 2 players as well. So us plebs have our money taken from us with no chance to earn a trophy. Just the chance to improve by being beaten lots lol. I think doing this would have been fine if they had used handicaps. Its like Rob playing as an A Reserve fill-in as he does and giving no shots away, except I think the skill difference may be even greater in our case. In our comp its like there are 3 teams at true div 3 level and then 3 teams at Div 1/2 level. So its obvious the best we can do is finish 4th out of 6. And that's if we manage to do better than the other 2 teams at our skill level of course. A bit of a strange comp I think.

Sorry, I digressed. Back to the HK. I am going to try my FX blue sponge 1.5 on it next. I think the thinner sponge might slow it down for me a bit. I am really happy with the 40s, so I'm reluctant to change it. It gives lots of spin and good feel on the FH. Its not quite as fast as the BH rubbers I've used so far and the BH is where I have most trouble as I receive serve there a lot, and push from there a lot. Too much power on these means I hit it over the end too much. I have a sheet of C8 in black that I might give a go to after that, or I might just skip straight to it.

Are you going to Geelong this Sunday Hugo? If so, I'll see you there.

ckhugo · « **Reply #27 on:** March 07, 2008, 03:18:25 PM »

Hey Reborn,

Have you tried 755 faster 0.8 on ur BH b4? I had both the original 755 in 1.0 & the Faster in 0.8 and I have to say the faster is probably better. Also, the pip alignment is different, Faster is vertical alignment as which u seem to be able to grab the ball a bit better, but not necessary more spin.

H

RebornTTEvnglist · « **Reply #28 on:** March 07, 2008, 03:55:27 PM »

Hi Hugo,

I haven't tried 755 faster, only 755. I didn't bother with the faster because it is being banned in July. Do you think its worth a go? I wonder if anyone at local comp level would stop me using it if I found that I just HAD to use it LOL. Might be a problem replacing it though.

RebornTTEvnglist · « **Reply #29 on:** March 15, 2008, 02:42:01 AM »

Well I have now moved on to a black DHS C8 LP on the back of this sucker now. Can't wait to see how it goes. The SP was just too hard for my defensive BH style to adjust to for now. I think for that one to be any good you have to have a natural reaction to hit back BH's not push or block them back. If I retrain myself to this style one day it might work. So I'll find another blade for the 802-40 to take up residence on, maybe the W-6 even. I'm going to try H3 on that blade first though (and then maybe Globe 999 Nat.).

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Author Topic: Hurricane King Blade (Read 2601 times)