Author Topic: donic rubbers compaired? (Read 3931 times)

pokerpete · « **on:** January 15, 2008, 05:31:38 AM »

well im thinking to buy Coppa jo silver, Desto f3 and Desto f3 big slam, all in max sponge they look like they will suit my style...

but if any one has played with these rubbers please give me some info on them ...any info will help!

right now i am enjoying revolution quad 450 on my FH and yasaka 30* soft on my BH both are soft and are 2.0 sponge ,but i am looking to move to a max sponge now as i have got a lot better recently

Also am wondering how the new donic rubbers will be compared to what i am using now

pingpongrob · « **Reply #1 on:** January 15, 2008, 09:52:35 AM »

The Coppa JO Silver, is the fastest out of the 3 rubbers you have chosen. Do you like soft sponge rubbers, as the Quad450 is not super soft, like the desto F3 & Big Slam. The Desto F3 will be Considerably slower than the Quad 450. Even in Max.

Wiz · « **Reply #2 on:** January 15, 2008, 10:05:53 AM »

CKhugo recently got a JO Silver... tbh i really did not like it, no spin, non grippy topsheet for a Euro rubber. Quite frankly I personally would stay away from the JO Silver.

Another mate of ours Michael had a hit with it as well, i've never seen him look so confused...

ckhugo · « **Reply #3 on:** January 15, 2008, 08:51:29 PM »

I have to agree with Wiz on this one.

As far as speed goes, its actually quite slow (and I am the one who was complaining abt plasma 430 & omega being too fast).

Then, the topsheet has no grip nor spin, as I used to play with the original JO, I thought the topsheet would be similar, but I was wrong.

In conclusion, I went through 4 blades with this rubebr on it and I had to gave up on it, and thats considering I had it for 2 days only.

/The rubber was Coppa JO Waldner Silver, 2.2 in black/

Rob, I will bring it with me next time when I come around, so u can have a try as well

pingpongrob · « **Reply #4 on:** January 15, 2008, 09:48:20 PM »

Quote from: "ckhugo"

Rob, I will bring it with me next time when I come around, so u can have a try as well

Is that after we have that game of Golf on Sunday. Where you actually get to kick my BUTT.

ckhugo · « **Reply #5 on:** January 15, 2008, 09:54:49 PM »

is it this sunday?

Wiz, u up for it?

Man, I havent swing a club for the whole yr now, not sure if my back is gonna hold up, hahha.

And Rob, I will kick ur butt at tt very soon. hehehe

Skippy · « **Reply #6 on:** January 16, 2008, 12:21:52 AM »

Golf sounds fun! I can't hardly afford to play up here. I wish I could though.

pokerpete · « **Reply #7 on:** January 16, 2008, 03:23:24 AM »

WOW... i thought this coppa silver was gonna be really good !...i guess cuz i seen a couple of really good players in my club using the gold version so i was thinking the silver would be good for my level (now that i think about it they where more drive hitters than loopers)

its such a hard issue now cuz i know i gotta find new rubbers that will be ok for the new rules in 2008

so let me ask u guys a new question i need rubbers to replace my old ones and they need to be tensor (no speed glue). u can see in my original post what use, now and i am about a 1850 rating, all around style player with good multi directional loops

priior · « **Reply #8 on:** January 16, 2008, 05:43:19 AM »

the markV 30 is a soft rubber.. which i would replace with the Andro Impulse Speed.

the superglued quad 450 2.0 to plasma 430 max should be fairly seemless.. or if u like the harder feeling.. the plasma 470.

i recommend andro.. cuz that's the only tensors ive used (and been happy enough not to bother trying others)

pokerpete · « **Reply #9 on:** January 16, 2008, 06:24:48 AM »

well i am also a fan of andro .....but i tried the 430 plasma rubber in 2.0 when it first came out and to be fare i really didnt give it a chance ,but what i did notice about it was that it was like cheese if u touched the table, and seemed to wear out the top layer of the rubber very fast ...funny thing about it tho is i have it on another blade of mine and it seems to have gottin better over time !!

now as for impulse speed i have beem wanting to try that rubber ,but i have heard that the top sheet is not very grippy witch concerns me cuz i think i need that grippiness during slower topspin stokes or my return of serve useing topspin to lift those under spin serves that go long

hmmmm im so confused ...what rubber will i chose ?

priior · « **Reply #10 on:** January 16, 2008, 08:01:50 AM »

i'm not fancy enough to be able to tell the difference about why a rubber is and why it's not.. wether it's grippy enough or not.. but the impulse speed is a _nice_ BH rubber.. especially if you're coming from speedgluing soft mark V style rubbers.

the brittleness of the 430 is a mystery to me as well.. i have had 4 pairs.. one of them was very brittle.. the other 3 are hard as a rock. BUT the 430 is a peculiar rubber witha peculiar throw.. if you're used to speedgluing regular rubbers.. the 430 has a learning curve. the 470 might be a better choice.. (once u go over the learning curve tho.. the 430 style bounciness is an awesome feeling!)

Wiz · « **Reply #11 on:** January 16, 2008, 09:05:45 AM »

Golf is all good for me this Sunday / weather pending - currect forecast is 23 and showers...

Pokerpete - I know we have done the Xiom rubbers to death here on the forums but if you are after a fairly soft grippy tensor rubber, i think the Omega I or Omega II Euro would be a good bet and they seem to be quite durable too.

pingpongrob · « **Reply #12 on:** January 16, 2008, 11:31:36 AM »

Quote from: "pokerpete"

i have heard that the top sheet is not very grippy witch concerns me cuz i think i need that grippiness during slower topspin stokes or my return of serve useing topspin to lift those under spin serves that go long

hmmmm im so confused ...what rubber will i chose ?

Well, I have tried all the Tensor's and yes the Andro Impuls Speed is no where near as grippy as the Xiom Omega 1 & 2, but compared to other Tensors - NO PROBLEMS. I use the Andro Impuls speed 2.0mm red on my backhand and have no problems topspining underspin balls back over the net. And it punches well too.

If you dont believe me, I can organise a short clip show you this.

Another point to mention is that the Andro Impuls speed lasted longer than any other rubbers I have used on my backhand.

RebornTTEvnglist · « **Reply #13 on:** January 18, 2008, 02:19:38 AM »

Rob I'm interested to try the Dawei Quattro which Der_E is using, How does this compare to the Xiom Omega and Andro you are talking about here?

pingpongrob · « **Reply #14 on:** January 18, 2008, 06:49:35 AM »

Quote from: "RebornTTEvnglist"

Rob I'm interested to try the Dawei Quattro which Der_E is using, How does this compare to the Xiom Omega and Andro you are talking about here?

No Comparison.

Inspirit Quattro is like a 1969 VW Golf

Xiom Omega - Formula 1 Pace Car.

priior · « **Reply #15 on:** January 18, 2008, 01:44:22 PM »

Skippy · « **Reply #16 on:** January 18, 2008, 02:40:16 PM »

I forget, which ones are faster? The Formula one cars or the Formula one pace car?

speedplay · « **Reply #17 on:** January 18, 2008, 08:41:20 PM »

Quote from: "pingpongrob"

Inspirit Quattro is like a 1969 VW Golf

Imagine reading rob admitting that?!? I said so the first time I tried the Inspirit (not even the Quattro) and Rob claimed that it was fast... What made you change your mind Rob?

Would still be interested in reading your views on the Couga if you ever get to lay your hands on one sheet.

JKC · « **Reply #18 on:** January 18, 2008, 11:53:26 PM »

I have a (possibly Enez detectable?) tuning technique which makes them very fast. So far it lasts at least a week (still going) but they challenge a friends glued up bryces for raw speed. The tuning seems to have made the throw angle more acceptable for me too.

RebornTTEvnglist · « **Reply #19 on:** January 19, 2008, 03:18:30 AM »

Slippery at the risk of getting lip, why is Der_E so happy with the Quattro if its an also-ran rubber? Or is it that the faster rubbers may be just too difficult to handle?

RebornTTEvnglist · « **Reply #20 on:** January 19, 2008, 03:27:09 AM »

It interests me that Skippy has an Xiom blade but uses Dawei rubbers. If Xiom rubbers are so good, why is it so?

speedplay · « **Reply #21 on:** January 19, 2008, 04:30:28 AM »

Quote from: "RebornTTEvnglist"

Slippery at the risk of getting lip, why is Der_E so happy with the Quattro if its an also-ran rubber? Or is it that the faster rubbers may be just too difficult to handle?

Also-ran?!? What does that mean?

Note, I liked the Inspirit, it was a nice rubber even though it didn't suit me the way I hoped. But, it was claimed to be fast and on this matter, I have to say NO! By fast, I'm then comparing to Couga, V-stage and Almana which were all a lot faster then Inspirit.

The reason Der_Echte likes it so much might be because its the only one thats slow enough for him to handle :lol: Note, this comes from a LP player

JKC · « **Reply #22 on:** January 19, 2008, 04:57:27 AM »

Quote from: "RebornTTEvnglist"

It interests me that Skippy has an Xiom blade but uses Dawei rubbers. If Xiom rubbers are so good, why is it so?

I think skippy is saving up. I don't think it will be long before he takes the plunge.

Skippy · « **Reply #23 on:** January 19, 2008, 07:07:25 AM »

Yeah, I am on a monthly budget which is quite small it takes me about two months just to save up enough just for one Xiom rubber, and if you read in the Euro Version thread I did just purchase one Xiom rubber, and actually recently I have been playing a Palio C topsheet on a 35 deg Quatro sponge on my forehand, and that's a really nice little rubber/sponge combination. In fact I would bet that JKC would really like it! I seem to like to have a little bit of tack on my forehand, or a really soft spinny jap/euro rubber. This particular Xiom rubber coming is for my backhand side. I'm fairly excited to try it out.

Skippy · « **Reply #24 on:** January 19, 2008, 07:12:41 AM »

Also just to let you know if you are in a budget crunch and have to put something Chinese on the Stradivarius the Insprits do play very well on the Strad. It's a nice match. Especially if you soften it up a bit with glue. Peter C has TBS's and puts Dawei, and Gambler rubbers on them all the time. They really are good rubbers. I just want to give tensors a try. I have yet to play one, and really would like to.

RebornTTEvnglist · « **Reply #25 on:** January 19, 2008, 02:30:36 PM »

I can see why you're saving for the Xiom rubber Skippy. $40+ a sheet. Ouch! So now I see why you've been using the Dawei. So you really think the Xiom rubbers are worth it?
Slippery the Cougar claims to be the fastest rubber on the market, but also wears out in a couple of months apparently. I'm not rich enough to delve into that pot. When we talk speed here, what is the difference we are talking? Is it mainly more speed off lower powered shots. When I hit a smash off just about anything I use it doesn't come back. SO I'm guessing the speed is not a factor so much in smashes. Is it in loops perhaps that slow loops are in comparison to other rubbers very quick still?

pingpongrob · « **Reply #26 on:** January 19, 2008, 07:14:24 PM »

Quote from: "RebornTTEvnglist"

I can see why you're saving for the Xiom rubber Skippy. $40+ a sheet. Ouch! So now I see why you've been using the Dawei. So you really think the Xiom rubbers are worth it?
Slippery the Cougar claims to be the fastest rubber on the market, but also wears out in a couple of months apparently. I'm not rich enough to delve into that pot. When we talk speed here, what is the difference we are talking? Is it mainly more speed off lower powered shots. When I hit a smash off just about anything I use it doesn't come back. SO I'm guessing the speed is not a factor so much in smashes. Is it in loops perhaps that slow loops are in comparison to other rubbers very quick still?

Dont believe what Speedplay says about the Cougar. I had a customer that recently bought a sheet of cougar off HAggisV, and compared it directly to the Omega rubbers.
He's a fairly highly ranked NSW player. His comments to me were.

"Quote: The Omega is Faster and Spinnier than the Cougar, and not by a little bit. UnQuote"

speedplay · « **Reply #27 on:** January 19, 2008, 07:29:28 PM »

^LOL!

Sorry Rob, but I can't help but laughing at that statement, even though I haven't tried the Omega. I have no doubts that the Omega is spinier and I believe the judgment you got was made in the same way as I claim that I can play faster with the 999 Elite Nano. The Couga is VERY hard to create a good spin with, but once I was successful with it, I could loop the ball past my opponent from a couple of meters behind the table. Up close, I simple couldn't put enough topspin on my shots to pull them down on the other side of the table. So, thats why I think that 999 EN allows me to play a faster over all game as I can loop full power close to the table and still land my shots.

Also, the Couga is the most long lasting rubber I have tried.

So Rob, unless you send some Omega my way, I will continue to state that the Couga is the fastest rubber on the planet ;)

asr1990 · « **Reply #28 on:** January 19, 2008, 08:14:21 PM »

Quote from: "Juan King Carlos"

I have a (possibly Enez detectable?) tuning technique which makes them very fast. So far it lasts at least a week (still going) but they challenge a friends glued up bryces for raw speed. The tuning seems to have made the throw angle more acceptable for me too.

what techniques is that JKC?

asr1990

JKC · « **Reply #29 on:** January 19, 2008, 08:58:00 PM »

Put a few layers of Sticky Stuff Remover on the sponge and then the topsheet. Inspirit (and Quattro even more so) is the best rubber so far I have used this technique on. Increases the throw angle too on the Inspirit Quattro and makes it a much nicer rubber. I haven't stuck it on my proper bat yet though as I want to see how long the effect lasts.

I have run out of SSR at the moment though and am waiting for the new Kleeneze catalogue to get some more.

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Author Topic: donic rubbers compaired? (Read 3931 times)